Anand has the details about r520,rv530,rv515

[SugarCoat]

that wasnt all directed at you so stop scratching your head

its more or less the mindset of people in general of whats acceptable and whats not as far as what performance the cards launch with.

as i said, the only 256mb cards are going to be CrossFire Master cards according to some sites. Again these will be the same clocks as the XT's.

Just to reverberate, that wasnt all to you.

 

[Ailuros]

In any case I still can't understand why there shouldn't be along the line also 256MB XT's. Lower price and obviously a higher price/performance ratio for the top modell.

 

[SugarCoat]

In any case I still can't understand why there shouldn't be along the line also 256MB XT's. Lower price and obviously a higher price/performance ratio for the top modell.

says who? i think its a blessing the MSRP on these cards with 512mb of ram are as low as they are. The XT with 512 is launching at the same MSRP as the GTX did....that is amazing

They could easily of did the same with 256mb cards and no one would think twice. What would you have as the consumer, XT with 256 for 550, or XT with 512 for 600? Keep in mind ram is the most expensive component on a card. Regaurdless of if you need it or not, its suppose to put pressure on nvidia and i think it was a good move. You wouldnt save much at all if there was a 256mb model and it would do nothing but waste cores and sell out when the 512s had gone. When you're spending that much you may as well just go all out. Hense the reason why the top 2 models have 512mb of memory.

 

[Ailuros]

says who? i think its a blessing the MSRP on these cards with 512mb of ram are as low as they are. The XT with 512 is launching at the same MSRP as the GTX did....that is amazing

Which by now are at around $460 the lowest.

What would you have as the consumer, XT with 256 for 550, or XT with 512 for 600? Keep in mind ram is the most expensive component on a card.

Those two sentences build a nice oxymoron I'd rather have a XT with 256 at $500

When you're spending that much you may as well just go all out. Hense the reason why the top 2 models have 512mb of memory.

You either don't want to understand what I'm saying or not willing to. 256MB models allow lower prices and thus even steeper competition to the GTX, especially if you look at first note of this post. Ram is truly the most expensive part of a GPU, especially if we're talking about twice the amount.

 

[SugarCoat]

Which by now are at around $460 the lowest.



Those two sentences build a nice oxymoron I'd rather have a XT with 256 at $500



You either don't want to understand what I'm saying or not willing to. 256MB models allow lower prices and thus even steeper competition to the GTX, especially if you look at first note of this post. Ram is truly the most expensive part of a GPU, especially if we're talking about twice the amount.

and they've kept cost low at minimal damage to the consumers wallet... You cant do 500, the XL has to sit there, if you start playing with all models because of 1 card you make for a very messy and confusing launch as someone already pointed out. I dont want 9 different cards launched not including the zillions to follow that will be middle/low end. Just suck it up and pay the extra 100 for the higher clocks and all that memory, wait for the CrossFire edition (which is exactly what you're asking for) or get the XL....i dont get your complaint at all. Again as i said if ati can show true benefit to the 512mb of ram, anywhere, it will be that much more pressure on Nvidia besides the psycological threat. Future games are suppose to benefit from these high ram amount cards believe it or not. How do you think 256mb cards came about? cant stop progress no matter how much you hate it.

Tim Sweeny a year or two ago was bold enough to believe that cards with 1gig of ram would be out by the time U3 went live and that his engine would need it for highest settings. Well thats not a reality quite yet, but 512 is. ATI is putting pressure on nvidia and standardizing 512mb as a common amount on a card. Again i just dont see why you're complaining. Assume the XL is competition for the GTX, you get more ram, for just a bit more money then the cheapest GTX and higher performance, then you have the XT in a league of its own and the CrossFire edition if you simply cannot handle spending 50 dollars more for a 512mb card...i need sleep this is endless

 

[_xxx_]

Successful Launch:

X1800XL Beats GTX by worthwhile amount, sells for $500.00, in decent quantity
X1800XT Beats GTX by very noticable amount, sells for $600, in low quantity

nV lowers the prices for the GTX to $350-400 and GT to $300-350. Now what?

 

[dizietsma]

Digit-life have got a front page article on the r520, it's a rather downbeat affair and they are tending to think along the lines that the efficiency / power of the pipelines will not be enough to get them much quicker than the competing Adam & co product .

They are suggesting that Ati was planning on a lot faster part but this has not happened. They do tend to over-egg the fill rate comparisons though.

 

[Junkstyle]

I really would like to know the reasoning behind going 512MB. Do games really need that much? Why would they ship 512MB now instead of 256MB now and 512MB later?

 

[_xxx_]

We had that discussion back then with 128 MB, than with 256 MB and now... will it ever stop? Devs can always find some use for the extra memory, needed or not. Also, it'll make them produce games which _do_ use 512MB in whatever HQ mode.

 

[Martin Eddy]

I really would like to know the reasoning behind going 512MB. Do games really need that much? Why would they ship 512MB now instead of 256MB now and 512MB later?

Maybe you should ask all the people complaining of hitching in games like BF2 or the F.E.A.R Demo?

 

[ANova]

I would like to have a word with whomever is in charge at ATI regarding what it is they're thinking when they decide to flood the market with 20 different SKUs.

 

[Aivansama]

I would like to have a word with whomever is in charge at ATI regarding what it is they're thinking when they decide to flood the market with 20 different SKUs.

Choice is bad? Must make a note of that.

 

[KimB]

Well, selling a large number of different products can be bad, but probably only for ATI if they can't get volume high enough, or if demand isn't high enough.

 

[Karma Police]

Well, it's "tomorrow"! Any new bit's 'o info released yet?

 

[Ailuros]

and they've kept cost low at minimal damage to the consumers wallet... You cant do 500, the XL has to sit there, if you start playing with all models because of 1 card you make for a very messy and confusing launch as someone already pointed out.

Shall I start counting the members of the R4xx family since it's introduction?

Just suck it up and pay the extra 100 for the higher clocks and all that memory, wait for the CrossFire edition (which is exactly what you're asking for) or get the XL....i dont get your complaint at all.

Who's complaining? Tune down and change your tone if you don't mind.

Again as i said if ati can show true benefit to the 512mb of ram, anywhere, it will be that much more pressure on Nvidia besides the psycological threat. Future games are suppose to benefit from these high ram amount cards believe it or not. How do you think 256mb cards came about? cant stop progress no matter how much you hate it.

Me stop progress? Good one I'll keep that one for reference

Tim Sweeny a year or two ago was bold enough to believe that cards with 1gig of ram would be out by the time U3 went live and that his engine would need it for highest settings. Well thats not a reality quite yet, but 512 is. ATI is putting pressure on nvidia and standardizing 512mb as a common amount on a card. Again i just dont see why you're complaining. Assume the XL is competition for the GTX, you get more ram, for just a bit more money then the cheapest GTX and higher performance, then you have the XT in a league of its own and the CrossFire edition if you simply cannot handle spending 50 dollars more for a 512mb card...i need sleep this is endless

I doubt I'll play UE3 adequately for my demands either on a G70 nor on a R520.

 

[Skinner]

I doubt I'll play UE3 adequately for my demands either on a G70 nor on a R520.

You don't, you will need 1 gig vidmem to view it in its full glory.

 

[Ailuros]

Obviously. But then again it's not going to get released in the next couple of months either.

 

[KimB]

One little nitpick: nobody's going to be playing UE3. It's not going to be a game.

 

[Dave Baumann]

Avivo (aka Kaleidoscope).

 

[nagus]

Let the games begin ;-)

TSMC in Volume Production of 90nm Graphics Chips for ATI

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050920/205369.html?.v=1

ATI Technologies, Inc. (TSX:ATY - News; NASDAQ:ATYT - News) and TSMC (TAIEX:2330)(NYSE:TSM - News) have announced that TSMC is in volume production of multiple 90 nanometer (nm) products for ATI, including the Radeon® X1800, Radeon® X1600 and Radeon® X1300 series chips, and has shipped large quantities of production wafers to ATI.
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"The ATI products produced with TSMC's 90nm process show a tremendous clock speed improvement and power reduction versus earlier generation technologies," said Jason Chen, Vice President of Corporate Development for TSMC. "As a result, TSMC is currently processing thousands of 300mm wafers for ATI, with many more already delivered. At this aggressive pace, ATI has already become one of our major 90nm customers."

"TSMC has done an excellent job of delivering on yields and speeds," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President of ATI's PC Business Unit. "As ever, they've proven themselves an excellent manufacturing partner as we ramp up some of the most advanced technology consumers have ever seen."

TSMC's state-of-the-art 90nm technology frees ATI from the limitations of less-advanced processes and enables a whole new level of performance and functionality for PC graphics. For example, the new ATI products have clock speeds around 50 per cent higher than products manufactured on older processes.

ATI expects the latest cards to begin arriving on store shelves by the end of September.