Anand has the details about r520,rv530,rv515

so once again, performance is going to be pretty close between the two, and which is "better" comes down to antialiasing, Crossfire implementation, and general features.
 
Jawed said:
Sigh, that's the worst thing I've ever read on DL - normally it's a very good site, but that is just bonkers speculation as far as I can tell.

I tend to listen when Digit-Life talks, but you are right, this article does seem a bit out of whack. But hey, it seems to be crazy season! Anything can happen*! (and will) I am fully expecting the Internet to explode at any minute now.

"What is going on? Can anyone hear me?"

* Check listings for your area.
 
geo said:
Exec summary: "Meh, nothing special. Might win by a little, might lose by a little. A little bit better pixel pipes, heading down the Xenos road but not as far. Too bad they didn't hit their clocks, because they were initially shooting much higher than 600."

Seems to be a lot of handwaving and guesswork in there too. Doesn't look like they have anymore info than anyone who's been reading the B3D forums for the last few months.
 
The Baron said:
so once again, performance is going to be pretty close between the two, and which is "better" comes down to antialiasing, Crossfire implementation, and general features.

Only if you believe it. :LOL: Sure, it is entirely possible that the goal of Andrzej and Chris Hook over the last few days is to make sure I make it my especial duty and pleasure to start torturing them over a slow fire starting on Announce day. :devilish:

Edit: Our Friend, the Emoticon.
 
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When you couple this with the bogus Chaintech is goinng out of the Motherboard business article it makes you wonder just what the hell is going on at DL.....
 
The Baron said:
so once again, performance is going to be pretty close between the two, and which is "better" comes down to antialiasing, Crossfire implementation, and general features.

Which if you followed Rys hint is where all the "fun" is with the R520... :)
 
geo said:
Also, he's not expecting 90nm NV high-end until 2006, which I found the most interesting. I begin to get the sense that a 7800Ultra is not going to be enuf to "take" 1800XT.

And what exactly would Nvidia gain financially by a knee-jerk reaction to an R520 that is faster? They were happy to let the PE take the crown last generation and that worked out fine for them. As demonstrated before, effective execution is far more important that a 5% performance advantage at the ultra high end. I get the feeling that margins on the GTX are very high even at the sub $500 level, so if they just keep pumping them out they'll be raking in the cash no matter what ATi does a month from now.

Of course, all this is assuming that the R520 isn't faster by some embarrasingly large margin - and there is no evidence so far that this is the case.
 
trinibwoy said:
Of course, all this is assuming that the R520 isn't faster by some embarrasingly large margin - and there is no evidence so far that this is the case.

And even then, nV can still lower the prices VERY much if they should wish to. G70 was a huge cash machine for quite some time now and costs relatively nothing to produce.
 
trinibwoy said:
And what exactly would Nvidia gain financially by a knee-jerk reaction to an R520 that is faster? They were happy to let the PE take the crown last generation and that worked out fine for them. As demonstrated before, effective execution is far more important that a 5% performance advantage at the ultra high end. I get the feeling that margins on the GTX are very high even at the sub $500 level, so if they just keep pumping them out they'll be raking in the cash no matter what ATi does a month from now.

Of course, all this is assuming that the R520 isn't faster by some embarrasingly large margin - and there is no evidence so far that this is the case.

You pour an awful lot of content into "interesting"! :LOL:

Tho, if you think Jen is ever "happy" about being second in any performance aspect anywhere having to do with graphics, I think you are very mistaken.
 
geo said:
You pour an awful lot of content into "interesting"! :LOL:

Actually I was responding to this bit - "I begin to get the sense that a 7800Ultra is not going to be enuf to "take" 1800XT."

geo said:
Tho, if you think Jen is ever "happy" about being second in any performance aspect anywhere having to do with graphics, I think you are very mistaken.

Of course he won't be happy. And I remember a quote somewhere stating that they were going to their best to reclaim the performance crown. But what I was getting at was that another G70 variant may not necessarily be a wise economic decision upon the launch of the R520 even if it is faster.

What strikes me as very strange is that the XL will be available before the XT - have we ever seen a case where the slower SKU is released first even though it's based on the exact same chip except with lower clocks? It just sounds to me like the XT is going to be hand-picked XL's that are capable of higher clocks.
 
trinibwoy said:
What strikes me as very strange is that the XL will be available before the XT - have we ever seen a case where the slower SKU is released first even though it's based on the exact same chip except with lower clocks? It just sounds to me like the XT is going to be hand-picked XL's that are capable of higher clocks.

It certainly doesn't suggest good things about yields. For awhile I played with the idea that XL and XT are different spins (i.e. pre and post "soft ground" fix), but I think that would be a really bad idea, so I hope that's not it.
 
geo said:
It certainly doesn't suggest good things about yields. For awhile I played with the idea that XL and XT are different spins (i.e. pre and post "soft ground" fix), but I think that would be a really bad idea, so I hope that's not it.

It also doesn't bode well for overclockability of the XL - even the Inq said as much today.
 
trinibwoy said:
It also doesn't bode well for overclockability of the XL - even the Inq said as much today.

True. But if it spanks a GT at the same price, it doesn't have to be.
 
radeonic2 said:
Ok.. will TeAA work with superaa?
Would be uber if it did
There's absolutely nothing preventing ATI from changing the sample positions per-frame with SuperAA enabled, since when running SuperAA, just as with the other Crossfire modes, each video card has no idea that it is running in tandem with a second card. So the only question remaining is whether or noT ATI will program the support (which would seem trivial, given that they already have implemented the "temporal dithering" AA).
 
trinibwoy said:
What strikes me as very strange is that the XL will be available before the XT - have we ever seen a case where the slower SKU is released first even though it's based on the exact same chip except with lower clocks?

Yes.
The X700 Pro was released before the X700 XT...
 
Hyp-X said:
Yes.
The X700 Pro was released before the X700 XT...

Oh, yeah true. Thanks. Hopefully that curse doesn't afflict the X1800XT as well.
 
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