Analysts on Xbox 360

Analysts Question Release Timing and Power of Xbox 360

The next-gen Xbox is about to make its official debut on MTV starting tonight, but some analysts think that launching a next-gen system this year may be too soon and that the market may not quite be ready. Some also believe that the technological leap from Xbox to Xbox 360 won't be as big as some would think, leading people to label the system Xbox 1.5.


As the world gets ready to check out Microsoft's next-gen Xbox for the first time on MTV (the infomercial airs tonight at 9:30PM) some in the industry are questioning whether a 2005 launch is too soon to debut a next-gen console, and exactly how big the technological leap from Xbox to Xbox 360 will be.

Launch too soon?
Because of MTV's on-air schedule listing for the program, it is now widely believed that the next Xbox will ship sometime this November. A November launch for the 360 would mean only a 4-year console cycle for the original Xbox, while the typical console cycle has historically been 5 years. One of the drawbacks of this is that developers may never truly max out the potential of the platform. The deeper into the cycle game creators get, the more familiar they are with the intricacies of developing for that platform. Some of the best-looking titles are often created near the end of a console's lifespan. After all, look at what developers have been able to do lately with the aging PlayStation 2 hardware. Games like Gran Turismo 4 and God of War could almost pass for Xbox titles.

[ "This is more an Xbox 1.5 than an Xbox 2. It's like an Xbox with a broadband cash register built in," PJ McNealy, American Technology Research ]


Although Microsoft is trying to build up hype levels in the mainstream by showing its new system on MTV, some argue that the market may not be ready for a next-gen system this year. "I question whether Microsoft might be coming out too soon with the next Xbox," IDC analyst Schelley Olhava told The Washington Post.

Sharing Olhava's concern, Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter added, "I wonder if there's going to be enough time to get consumers really excited."

It was Pachter, remember, who said that the current-gen cycle wouldn't end until the PS3 launches. "...we expect the launch of Sony's PS3... to mark the beginning of the next cycle, and think that rapid sales growth will not materialize until 2007," he said. Pachter told GameDAILY BIZ, "I actually don't think the Xbox 360 launching is any different than the PSP launching. It's not going to cause PS2 owners to buy less software."

Publishers, too, would probably have liked Microsoft to wait until 2006 to launch the 360, as preparing titles for a brand-new platform automatically means a huge investment in research and development. Already we've seen bigger losses or lowered profits in the earnings reports of some publishers who have cited spending on R&D for the next generation.

What kind of visual improvement will there be?
Then there's the issue of how big a leap the Xbox 360 will bring to video games. Sony spokeswoman Molly Smith recently told BusinessWeek, "We look at delivering a quantum leap in technology, not just Xbox version 1.5." While you'd expect Sony to belittle its closest competitor, others in the industry have expressed similar sentiments about the next Xbox.

American Technology Research analyst PJ McNealy believes that the Xbox 360 will offer more in the way of online options (e.g. customization, microtransactions, etc.) but that its graphical capabilities will not represent a huge jump over the current Xbox. "This is more an Xbox 1.5 than an Xbox 2. It's like an Xbox with a broadband cash register built in," he said.

Seamus Blackley, one of the main figures behind the design of the original Xbox and now an agent for Creative Artists Agency, doesn't think there will be a large visual leap either but he doesn't limit his comments to the Xbox 360. According to The Washington Post, he believes that the entire next generation "will see a more incremental increase in technological wizardry compared to previous turning points in the video-game industry."

Backwards compatibility is key
Another critical issue for Microsoft could be (the lack of) backwards compatibility. Sony's PS3 will almost certainly play PS2 games and Nintendo has already confirmed that the Revolution will be backwards compatible with the GameCube, but Microsoft has not been willing to talk about it. "If they decide not to be backward compatible I question their judgment," Pachter told us in a prior interview. In his report, "Xbox 360 Debut Tomorrow: Answering the $2.4 Billion Compatibility Question," Pachter elaborated on the topic.

"Should the Xbox 360 be incompatible with the current generation Xbox, we think that publishers will face a dilemma. Most will plan to produce SKUs for the PS2, PSP, and Xbox 360, but will be faced with a decision whether to produce future games for the current generation Xbox," he said. "If the Xbox 360 is incompatible, sales of current generation Xbox hardware are likely to rapidly decline, making the support decision even more difficult. Further complicating the decision is the cost of next generation software development, expected to be $10 - 15 million per game, compared to $3 - 5 million for current generation software development. In order to support both the current and next generation Xboxes, publishers will be required to spend $13 - 20 million per game chasing a combined installed base that is not assured to grow over the first few years without backward compatibility."

Pachter also thinks that the growth of the industry itself could be adversely affected if Microsoft decides not to include backwards compatibility because publishers may have no choice but to drop support for the current Xbox. "In the event that publishers choose to abandon development of current generation Xbox games in 2006, the negative impact on industry sales growth could be even more dramatic... We think that the outcome of the backward compatibility issue will go a long way toward determining industry sales growth in 2005 and beyond, and we believe that a negative decision could negatively impact share prices for the U.S. publishers."

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:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: Quoting Sony on the Xbox 360 design :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Reporter: "Mr. Gates, what do you think of PS3?"

Gates: "The PS3 is too complex and has horrible development tools. It is going to put all but the biggest game developers out of business due to rising costs and it would have put the industry into a tail spin if it were not for Xbox 360. The PS3 has some power on paper, but we are talking about the real world and real world solutions. You cannot afford to spend the time, money, and effort to tap the power of the PS3 when the Xbox 360 just gives it to you right in our tools. Sony weent too far, too fast and neglected the tools to help developers make the worlds gamers want to play in. This is really a tragedy for gamers."

Some of the comments are interesting, but most are really biased. I find it funny how they PS3 will launch the next gen in 2006, but then turns around and notes that real sales wont start until 2007.

Basically the lines have been drawn. Consumers will decide whether next gen is here or not. And it will be decided starting about 2006. I expect price drops by MS come 2007 so it will be an exciting race. MS just better how to get a couple flagship titles out ASAP or they will be dead in the water.
 
I always love what these ANALysts have to say. Sometimes some real gems pop out of them...so to speak.

American Technology Research analyst PJ McNealy believes that the Xbox 360 will offer more in the way of online options (e.g. customization, microtransactions, etc.) but that its graphical capabilities will not represent a huge jump over the current Xbox. "This is more an Xbox 1.5 than an Xbox 2. It's like an Xbox with a broadband cash register built in," he said.

...Yeah, listen to da man! These guys really know what they're talking about! :LOL: They must be WELL WORTH their six-figure salaries! ;)
 
Guden Oden said:
I always love what these ANALysts have to say. Sometimes some real gems pop out of them...so to speak.

American Technology Research analyst PJ McNealy believes that the Xbox 360 will offer more in the way of online options (e.g. customization, microtransactions, etc.) but that its graphical capabilities will not represent a huge jump over the current Xbox. "This is more an Xbox 1.5 than an Xbox 2. It's like an Xbox with a broadband cash register built in," he said.

...Yeah, listen to da man! These guys really know what they're talking about! :LOL: They must be WELL WORTH their six-figure salaries! ;)

Hey, that 6-figure salary requires strong opinions! The guy's gotta feed his children right? :rolleyes: ;)
 
If this is an xbox 1.5 then 6 months after the x360 when the ps3 comes out will that be a xbox 1.75 ?
 
jvd said:
If this is an xbox 1.5 then 6 months after the x360 when the ps3 comes out will that be a xbox 1.75 ?

Yeah, I am trying hard to find out how a system with 512MB of RAM (we were expecting 256MB just 3 months ago), 3 core CPU at 3.2GHz, and a top of the line GPU is somehow Xbox 1.5.

If MS waited a full year they may have been able to bump some specs, but the GPU probably would not have been ready for 65nm (they have yet to even get to 90nm) so that would not have changed much. Who knows about the CPU.

Probably best for people to reserve Xbox 1.5 opinions until we see what goes into the PS3. Heat and power consumption will be as important in cost in a small set top device.

I will be pretty shocked if PS3 gets a 250M transister CELL, 512MB XDR, 300M transister GPU, and BR. Even then I would not look at Xbox 360 as Xbox 1.5 because while there is a performance gap on paper, the question will be is that gap bigger than last gen?
 
I will be pretty shocked if PS3 gets a 250M transister CELL, 512MB XDR, 300M transister GPU, and BR. Even then I would not look at Xbox 360 as Xbox 1.5 because while there is a performance gap on paper, the question will be is that gap bigger than last gen?
aye i have a hard time believing it too . but we will see what sony comes up with . I have no doubt it will be more powerfull , question is if it will make any diffrence in the long run or any noticable iq diffrence
 
jvd said:
If this is an xbox 1.5 then 6 months after the x360 when the ps3 comes out will that be a xbox 1.75 ?

Why would it be? Ps2 will have a 6 year lifespan (more or less) by the time PS3 comes out. I don't agree with the guy saying the X360 is an Xbox1.5 but i don't see the point of mentioning PS3 here.
 
london-boy said:
jvd said:
If this is an xbox 1.5 then 6 months after the x360 when the ps3 comes out will that be a xbox 1.75 ?

Why would it be? Ps2 will have a 6 year lifespan (more or less) by the time PS3 comes out. I don't agree with the guy saying the X360 is an Xbox1.5 but i don't see the point of mentioning PS3 here.

Compared to the xbox the ps3 will be a xbox 1.75 if the power of the x360 is only enough to be considered a 1.50 .

The ps3 is only coming out about 6 months later . Its not going to magicly double or triple the power of the x360 . So really any system coming out in the next year should be considered and xbox 1.x by thier logic .
 
jvd said:
london-boy said:
jvd said:
If this is an xbox 1.5 then 6 months after the x360 when the ps3 comes out will that be a xbox 1.75 ?

Why would it be? Ps2 will have a 6 year lifespan (more or less) by the time PS3 comes out. I don't agree with the guy saying the X360 is an Xbox1.5 but i don't see the point of mentioning PS3 here.

Compared to the xbox the ps3 will be a xbox 1.75 if the power of the x360 is only enough to be considered a 1.50 .

The ps3 is only coming out about 6 months later . Its not going to magicly double or triple the power of the x360 . So really any system coming out in the next year should be considered and xbox 1.x by thier logic .

Yeah. i didnt say i agree with him, i just dont see the point of getting PS3 into this...
 
Yeah. i didnt say i agree with him, i just dont see the point of getting PS3 into this...
because the article talked about the timing of the launch and it being under powered and being only an xbox 1.5 (Because of its timing and launch)

in the other thread i also brought up nintendo .
 
DeathKnight said:
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:LOL: THAT was the funniest thing i've seen in a long time.

Jvd, i never agreed or disagreed, but well the concept of derailing threads must work only on the outside with you.
 
Your the only one derailing anything . I was talking about the article and pointing out that they really can't consider it a xbox 1.5 and claim that consoles launching slightly later will be much more powerfull. That was the point .
 
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