AMD Radeon RDNA2 Navi (RX 6500, 6600, 6700, 6800, 6900 XT)

[techuse]

RDNA 2 is more power efficient.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-founders-edition/35.html
https://www.computerbase.de/2021-06...st/3/#diagramm-performance-pro-watt-1920-1080

 

[Bondrewd]

We don't know that yet.

Of course we do.
Many-many frames per second!

One thing I wonder about lately is that +50% perf/watt

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy more.

And this is usually a sign of there being something competitive which prompts such power increase

No it's a sign of them building an ULTRA HALO config.

 

[xpea]

They are in laptops.
...
They're gaming laptops chief.
With HRR screens.
Nothing besides maximum FPS pew-pew matters.

It was already the case before, but with current GPU shortage, many use gaming laptops for content creation. Hardware vendors know it very well and that's why the vast majority of recent designs are less flashy and more classy to appeal professional and creators.

 

[Bondrewd]

It was already the case before, but with current GPU shortage, many use gaming laptops for content creation.

Nope.
Gaming is gaming.
Most CC flows are DRAM capacity-bound or FF block wank either way aka you go MacBook Pro M1X.

Hardware vendors know it very well and that's why the vast majority of recent designs are less flashy and more classy to appeal professional and creators.

Nah, edgy shit is on downtrend in general.
Even Alienwares look sleeker these days.

 

[DegustatoR]

RDNA 2 is more power efficient.

Depends on what you compare to what (see 6700XT vs 3070 for example; other uses were mentioned already) but on average in currently available games they are about equal - and that's despite a considerable production process advantage on AMD side.
So no it's not "more power efficient".

 

[xpea]

RDNA2 is behind in RT, pure raw compute power, reconstruction tech and other advanced features. BUT, its their first iteration after in the this segment after a long break since 2013 (?).
RDNA3 will be much more competitive in all regards.

Absolutely agree. We all hope that RDN3 -for the sake of consumer advantage- will be more competitive and not only in pure rasterization.

 

[Bondrewd]

So no it's not "more power efficient".

Yes it is.
I can always cherrypick the widest config clocked the slowest to wyn.
(that actually would be kinda mean to our green friends, since their physdes crews f'ed up)

We all hope that RDN3 -for the sake of consumer advantage- will be more competitive and not only in pure rasterization.

It's made to push frames per second.
Abandon all hopium.
Also RDNA3 thread is that way.

 

[techuse]

Depends on what you compare to what (see 6700XT vs 3070 for example; other uses were mentioned already) but on average in currently available games they are about equal - and that's despite a considerable production process advantage on AMD side.
So no it's not "more power efficient".

I'm comparing best case of each vendor. That's the best comparison. Not a specific SKU that may be an outlier.

 

[trinibwoy]

nothing changes AMD phone/laptop first client GPU IP roadmaps.

Is RDNA 2 a success for AMD? Also if RDNA 3 is going to be out of reach for paupers what is AMD planning to sell instead?

 

[DegustatoR]

I'm comparing best case of each vendor. That's the best comparison. Not a specific SKU that may be an outlier.

What's "best case"? RDNA2's "best case" will likely be in Samsung's SoC. Rather pointless for a comparison with a desktop GPU.
And you're comparing current gen gaming performance in these links which isn't "best case" for any of them either.

 

[Bondrewd]

Is RDNA 2 a success for AMD?

Yeah.

Also if RDNA 3 is going to be out of reach for paupers what is AMD planning to sell instead?

Lower end RDNA3 parts, duh.
(and Phoenix!)

RDNA2's "best case" will likely be in Samsung's SoC

RMB broski.
15W one to be exact.

And you're comparing current gen gaming performance in these links which isn't "best case" for any of them either.

whut

 

[PSman1700]

Absolutely agree. We all hope that RDN3 -for the sake of consumer advantage- will be more competitive and not only in pure rasterization.

Im sure rdna3+ will fare much better, rdna2 was their first RT/reconstruction (next gen features) iteration (like turing was), their not sitting still all this time between arch releases.

Same with Zen2 its abit behind (it IS a 2019 product but still), zen3 improved rather well in ipc and clock speeds, other improvements aswell.

Lower end RDNA3 parts, duh.

Why would they do that? 6900XT is for sure a high end GPU, guess that rdna3's variant will have something to offer in that range aswell.

 

[trinibwoy]

Yeah.

Is there a specific metric you can point to? We were told for many months that RDNA 2 would crush it especially in power efficient form factors. Market share doesn’t seem to be moving in the right direction though.

Lower end RDNA3 parts, duh.
(and Phoenix!)

Makes sense. So there was no real point at all to the “RDNA 3 will be expensive” hype.

 

[Bondrewd]

Im sure rdna3+ will fare much better

Hell yeah more pixels per watt.

rdna2 was their first RT/reconstruction

Who cares about upscaling when you're throwing filthy amounts of h/w at the problem.

Why would they do that?

Because each lineup is four parts.

6900XT is for sure a high end GPU

Not with RDNA3 it is not.
That's toy perf.

 

[Bondrewd]

Is there a specific metric you can point to?

TAM proliferation.

We were told for many months that RDNA 2 would crush it especially in power efficient form factors

It sure does, too bad about the supply and our green friends playing oh-so-very-fair.

Market share doesn’t seem to be moving in the right direction though.

It would gladly bulge but AMD is still busy digging the necessary stuff out.

So there was no real point at all to the “RDNA 3 will be expensive” hype.

Oh it will be.
Each tier gets more expensive while APUs erode more and more.

 

[trinibwoy]

TAM proliferation.

This hardly seems unique to RDNA 2. Also should be reflected in market share which it isn’t.

It sure does, too bad about the supply and our green friends playing oh-so-very-fair.

Ah so you meant that RDNA 2 would be successful if it wasn’t for those pesky kids.

It would gladly bulge but AMD is still busy digging the necessary stuff out.

What stuff? Genuinely curious to know what unique problems AMD is facing to get their stuff to market.

Oh it will be.
Each tier gets more expensive while APUs erode more and more.

In that case hopefully it’s worth the extra coin.

 

[techuse]

What's "best case"? RDNA2's "best case" will likely be in Samsung's SoC. Rather pointless for a comparison with a desktop GPU.
And you're comparing current gen gaming performance in these links which isn't "best case" for any of them either.

Looking at performance per watt and picking the highest GPU from each vendor.

 

[Bondrewd]

This hardly seems unique to RDNA 2

No, spefiic to it, really.
Previous AMD gens were hardly relevant in phones or god forbid infotainment.

Ah so you meant that RDNA 2 would be successful if it wasn’t for those pesky kids.

Yes, nice ODM ballsqueeze; love you Jensen.
Time to pray for the poor 6700M.

What stuff?

Substrates dawg.

Genuinely curious to know what unique problems AMD is facing to get their stuff to market.

So unique in fact they've managed to shed laptop unit share to Intel Q1.

In that case hopefully it’s worth the extra coin.

Yeah sure bro.

 

[PSman1700]

Not with RDNA3 it is not.
That's toy perf.

Intresting, if 6900XT performance is considered toy performance than were in for some capable GPUs indeed.

 

[DegustatoR]

Looking at performance per watt and picking the highest GPU from each vendor.

You're looking at perf/watt in very specific benchmarking suites which in itself isn't "best case" for anything but a representation of currently available gaming performance without RT.
It can be considered a "best case" for RDNA2 probably but not for Ampere.