AMD: R7xx Speculation

[Sound_Card]

PCB does not look quite the same actully.

RV670pro
http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article/2007/12/28/small/f93b0110-9530-4b24-8634-a75b24834f6a.jpg
http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article/2007/12/28/small/1da67a83-ae81-4d3f-9fc3-519176d0f1f7.jpg

RV670XT
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/76/images/Image_04T.jpg
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/76/images/Image_10T.jpg
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/76/images/Image_06T.jpg

This could be legit.

 

[Sound_Card]

The HD 3850

 

[AlexV]

It probably isn't. The PCB is uncannily identical to one iteration of the 3850 PCB which existed prior to the final PCB design being made. Identical up to capacitator placing and specs. I wouldn't hold my breath, really.

 

[leoneazzurro]

PCB does not look quite the same actully.

RV670pro
http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article/2007/12/28/small/f93b0110-9530-4b24-8634-a75b24834f6a.jpg
http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article/2007/12/28/small/1da67a83-ae81-4d3f-9fc3-519176d0f1f7.jpg

RV670XT
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/76/images/Image_04T.jpg
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/76/images/Image_10T.jpg
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/76/images/Image_06T.jpg

This could be legit.

I said nothing about the PCB (although they look very similar) but the dies are practically the same size. Now, this is a bit odd for a coincidence, so or this is a fake or there is the possibility that the basic "tile" for R700 architecture is a revised RV670 (OK, it's also possible that AMD loves that size )

 

[Sound_Card]

It probably isn't. The PCB is uncannily identical to one iteration of the 3850 PCB which existed prior to the final PCB design being made. Identical up to capacitator placing and specs. I wouldn't hold my breath, really.

aye, I'm aware of that. Even though we know we can all trust R800bloglol, they did make a intresting statement about RV770.

On the ramification of R700, we heard that AMD and ATI will introduce R770 or in name of RV770 after R700 introduction. On the GPU architecture, we heard there’s no much difference between RV670 and R700/R770.

Salt or no salt eh?

Then the RV770 entries in the linux drivers.....

The only way to know for sure(well sort of....), is if you can provide that pre RV670 photo.

 

[Sound_Card]

I said nothing about the PCB (although they look very similar) but the dies are practically the same size. Now, this is a bit odd for a coincidence, so or this is a fake or there is the possibility that the basic "tile" for R700 architecture is a revised RV670 (OK, it's also possible that AMD loves that size )

With respect, RV770 could very well be a tweaked RV670.

 

[AlexV]

aye, I'm aware of that. Even though we know we can all trust R800bloglol, they did make a intresting statement about RV770.



Salt or no salt eh?

Then the RV770 entries in the linux drivers.....

The only way to know for sure(well sort of....), is if you can provide that pre RV670 photo.

I'll lean towards giving him credit on this:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2684473&postcount=12.

And a much needed correction to my original post(brainfarted badly there):it looks like a slightly modified 3850 PCB, not like the ES 3850 PCBs(at least not the ones I've seen).

Look, I'd like to think that the R700 is just around the corner, just like I'd like to think that that beastly 9800GTX Hardwareaktuell spoke about, with 384 SPs clocked at 2GHz will be released anytime soon. It's just that I'd rather not be enthusiastic about such minor crumbs.

 

[leoneazzurro]

With respect, RV770 could very well be a tweaked RV670.

With revised, I meant "practically identical" (as the images suggest), but then, what is the purpose to have this "new generation", with the same process, and with the same characteristics as RV670 (as a 2-chip RV670 board is arriving, and 4-way Crossfire will be possible anyway with new drivers), when the competitor is way ahead on performances?

 

[Sound_Card]

Look, I'd like to think that the R700 is just around the corner, just like I'd like to think that that beastly 9800GTX Hardwareaktuell spoke about, with 384 SPs clocked at 2GHz will be released anytime soon. It's just that I'd rather not be enthusiastic about such minor crumbs.

I'm enthusastic about it for the very fact that we may learn more about R700 with what we can gather with RV770.

 

[Jawed]

So, RV670x2=R680 => RV770x2=R780?

Has R700 been cancelled?

Jawed

 

[AlexV]

So, RV670x2=R680 => RV770x2=R780?

Has R700 been cancelled?

Jawed

I'd say it has been readjusted to AMD's new strategy that's based on playing it as safe as possible(just like Fusion).

 

[vertex_shader]

I said nothing about the PCB (although they look very similar) but the dies are practically the same size. Now, this is a bit odd for a coincidence, so or this is a fake or there is the possibility that the basic "tile" for R700 architecture is a revised RV670 (OK, it's also possible that AMD loves that size )

GPU is not on the PCB, that gray square not looks like a dies.

 

[AlexV]

GPU is not on the PCB, that gray square not looks like a dies.

That's a placeholder for taking different measurements. There is no die on that PCB.

 

[OpenGL guy]

That's a placeholder for taking different measurements. There is no die on that PCB.

Looks more like thermal compound stuck to a chip to me.

 

[leoneazzurro]

GPU is not on the PCB, that gray square not looks like a dies.

It seems too thick and shiny to be a thermal pad (but it could be a thermal spreader put on the other side of the silicon die to improve heat transfer, or perhaps a die without packaging). But, even if that is a thermal pad or heat spreader, it should be about the same size of the die (hence the "same size" of RV670).

 

[vertex_shader]

Fruitzilla think R700 is two RV770.

I call this as highly possible, no same dies package multicore architecture coming

I think RV770 was originally R700 but ATi not want another R600 fiasco so they ranamed it to a value part and 2 of them HD3870X2 style coming in highend against NV single core GPU G100 (Fuad think G100 renamed to GT200 )

 

[AlexV]

Take your beef somewhere else, B3D isn't the place for it.

Says the sexy overlord. Did you already get 3870X2 cards for reviewing?

 

[FrgMstr]

No, you just have an insecurity issue.

Case-in-point: you only participate in web discussions (on forums other than your own) ABOUT YOU. I've seen you do it here and @ Rage, who knows where else. What do you do, sit around googling your name all day?



Thanks for proving my point, Kyle.

I guess you should know me well since we have had some conversations?? I have no idea who you even are, but you seem to have a deep knowledge of who I am and what my motivations are.....or you are just making stuff up. Hmmm, which could it be?

I have long been a member of this forum and have participated in many discussions here. I pretty much stopped taking part in open discussions here due to the problem being that people such as yourself would rather employ personal attacks and skew my words rather than discuss the actual issue at hand.

I used to be a daily visitor here. B3D's community used to carry a lot of weight in terms of opinion and knowledge, but somewhere it derailed and lost its value for me. Many people from AMD and NVIDIA will tell you the same thing; off the record of course. I come by about once a month or so now and do a search on "hardocp" to see how what the normal crowd of folks that post here have to say about our content. There are still a lot of very intelligent and insightful folks here and I value their opinion, but the fact is that those guys get covered in the layer of slime folks like you leave behind as you slither across the path. It is fun to see what those that attack me and HardOCP has to say. I just happened to have some extra time on my hands the other evening and thought I would engage since I was being attacked on a personal level.

So no, I don't sit around Googling my name, I just have a list of forums that I read, some more than others, but I do try to get here at least once a month. But I did check this thread again today, but I actually found it again on a link from Google looking for something else. I will bookmark it and check back though. I am sure you will have something intell....entertaining to say.

And I am still a bit cloudy on how answering a personal attack makes me insecure. And I thought that you needed a bit of humor in your day, because you certainly seem mad about something. I apologize if my existence offends you, but I am not going away. And thanks again for the entertainment. It is appreciated.

 

[3dilettante]

I used to be a daily visitor here. B3D's community used to carry a lot of weight in terms of opinion and knowledge, but somewhere it derailed and lost its value for me.

Many people from AMD and NVIDIA will tell you the same thing; off the record of course. I come by about once a month or so now and do a search on "hardocp" to see how what the normal crowd of folks that post here have to say about our content.

There are a lot of high quality discussions that don't go out of their way to mention "hardocp". Just sayin' is all.

May I inquire what it would take for this community to regain value in your eyes, or can you elaborate on what has changed?
I won't ask you to answer on the record for the folks at AMD and Nvidia corporate.

There aren't many boards I know of that have had technical discussions on various designs, concepts, and products with the depth that I've seen at B3D, so I am curious as to what it would take to counteract the value found in them that can't be handled with the search function.

edit: or ignore list, if it comes to that

 

[MulciberXP]

Wouldn't it be better to base statements on what I actually said rather than what "many claimed" I said? A lot of times what exactly what was said and what is represented in loosely paraphased forum threads are not close to having the same meaning.

I wasn't pointing out what you said at all regarding the 5800 though, but what people claimed you did, which has it's own validity. Regarding the R600, my paraphrase was entirely accurate.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1176666&page=3

R600 pricing that Boot Daily has is wrong. The R600 is going to be ATI's 5800...

You were right on though. And a lot of people should have ate crow on that one.