And what is Unreal Tournament 3?
Imo it's not that big of a rollercoaster though. I've seen worse.
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And what is Unreal Tournament 3?
Imo it's not that big of a rollercoaster though. I've seen worse.
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8.1? Why not hotfix with the crysis crossfire improvement. Surpised they don't have leaked beta's either.
Have we had this link yet...?
http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/graphics/reviews/0801/1210234.html
Also, according to The Inquirer, the launch has been delayed by a week at the last minute, ostensibly to bring it in line with the launch of the 3650 and 3450; possibly also to give AMD time to release a new driver revision.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/22/3870x2-delayed
http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/graphics/reviews/0801/1210234.html
Also, according to The Inquirer, the launch has been delayed by a week at the last minute, ostensibly to bring it in line with the launch of the 3650 and 3450; possibly also to give AMD time to release a new driver revision.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/22/3870x2-delayed
vertex_shader
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I miss that, there is good too.
At 1900x1200 in Unreal3 24% faster than the 8800ultra, in NFS Pro Street 41% slower than the 8800ultra, than whats this when not a rollercoaster?
I see worst than this too but this dual gpu solutions still waste of time and won't change anytime soon.
ATi has no other choice this time just come with dual GPU card, but NV follow this suite its a dissapointment, but they can do this because lack of real competation.
Those Crysis numbers are whacked in that review, crossfired 3870s do a hell of a lot better than that with the 8.1 hotfix & latest Crysis patch. Methinks beta drivers are showing their betaness there.
They can do better than that without the hotfix driver (and hell, without the patch too); I'd agree that they're not quite right.
LOL, I love how it's been "delayed by a week" TO THE ORIGINAL LAUNCH DATE! Damn Fudquirer...
Thos NFS numbers look like a driver problem. Without AA the X2 beats the Ultra by a healthy margin. That should translate to a healthy margin with AA/AF too.
A dual solution buys the IHV some extra time to get the next gen ready in time. NV did it too with the GF7950GX2. And it's probably also cheaper too to just smack two GPUs together at this point in time.
Random speculation on my part, but couldn't it simply get out of memory? After all, it *is* 512MiB vs 768MiB...
Besides that, pretty nice scores overall, IMO. Could be better, could be worse, but it's certainly about what you'd expect. Those complaining about scalability should realize that it's a quite attractive solution compared to the alternatives. I'm still not a big fan of AFR myself (latency...) but I know most people won't care as much, and good for them if they feel that way.
I'm looking forward AMD celebration of come-back in enthusing market and dethroning G80Ultra. Speaking of G80Ultra; Nvidia made superb card but it will rob your wallet for such high price tag.
AMD/ATI made smart move for 3870X2 pricing retail $449.00.
AMD/ATI made smart move for 3870X2 pricing retail $449.00.
Edit: Interesting....
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vertex_shader
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Celebrate? no reason, finally with 2 GPU they can beat the 14 months ago launched GPU based highend card, and this card competation (GX2) not arrived yet, not far away.
449$ looks good only now because ultra cost much more, but i'm not sure its look good in mid february too.
There is still someone who belive this? :smile:
Just check out when was the last time any ATi driver made significant performance boost in anything, this is really a dream on category, always this coming when the card not shine so good than rumors suggested before. (of course i not say its can't happen, but hard to belive looking what happend in the last 2+ years).
Same things happening always until first rumors ("GPU is ATi next R300") to day1 ("next driver boost the performance to sky highs") , really bored
vertex_shader
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Jeez that's a crowded backplate... Nice to see that many outputs on a single card though
I'm also liking Asus' use of the 0.8ns memory so we can get some decent overclock out of it.
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I see the 3870x2 in the same way I see the 8800 GT. 8800GT didn't completely demolish every other GPU, but it gave us similar performance to the $500+ 8800 GTX for $200 less. How can you not be excited that a $449 GPU can take the top spot from a $659 GPU (lowest price I can find for an 8800 Ultra on newegg)?
Besides, it's also great to see that ATI managed to make dual GPUs scale so well. (see http://en.expreview.com/?p=53 for a comparison of 3870 crossfire vs. 8800GT SLI). If they can deliver top performance at a good price, then why does it matter if it's one chip or two?
I have to agree with you there. Almost every time people have said "Oh yeah? Just wait till we get better drivers for this card!" it ended with disappointment. However, maybe we'll get lucky and see some decent performance improvements, considering that the 3870x2 depends on drivers for its performance to an even greater extent than other GPUs.
I'll counter this:
This exactly scenario is entirely possible with the X2 card, for the obvious reason that it's nothing more than crossfire-on-a-stick. The good news is, such a driver would also help us poor people with a lowly pair of individual 3870's in crossfire too
Yeah -- because we're dealing with crossfire. I've seen a game go from no crossfire support (framerate is less than a single card) to all the sudden getting crossfire support (framerate is now 50% more than a single card). That's a pretty substantial framerate increase for a single driver, and it's entirely possible for any game that doesn't currently support CF (there's quite a few)There is still someone who belive this?
This exactly scenario is entirely possible with the X2 card, for the obvious reason that it's nothing more than crossfire-on-a-stick. The good news is, such a driver would also help us poor people with a lowly pair of individual 3870's in crossfire too
Celebrate? no reason, finally with 2 GPU they can beat the 14 months ago launched GPU based highend card, and this card competation (GX2) not arrived yet, not far away.
449$ looks good only now because ultra cost much more, but i'm not sure its look good in mid february too.
There is still someone who belive this? :smile:
Just check out when was the last time any ATi driver made significant performance boost in anything, this is really a dream on category, always this coming when the card not shine so good than rumors suggested before. (of course i not say its can't happen, but hard to belive looking what happend in the last 2+ years).
Same things happening always until first rumors ("GPU is ATi next R300") to day1 ("next driver boost the performance to sky highs") , really bored
When was the last time AMD beat a competing corrosponding Nvidia product to market? That is exactly what they have done, because Nvidia's 9800GX2 or whatever is nowhere to be found. Sure, it'll be out in a month or two. It's not out now, AMD's is. It also means AMD can claim the fastest single card on the planet Dont even bother pointing out it's technically two, doesn't matter)..how long since that has been the case?
As far as performance I dont doubt Nvidia will retake the lead with their GX2, since their single card solution is faster. Who doesn't see that? You post enough here to know better. You knew exactly what was coming, spare the act please..
AMD is working with a pretty gimped architecture base, lately they have been doing a pretty good job of turning those lemons into lemonade, now, if they dont fix some of the ridiculous problems like lack of texture next go round, then I would say unleash the (further) criticism...
You'd hope that, with the new chips being released which support the "Hybrid Crossfire" thingy, ATI/AMD will be putting plenty of resources into making sure Crossfire works as advertised. If this means having staff dedicated to releasing 'hotfixes' for games within just a few days of release, then that's fine as far as I can see.
It's entirely possible that a 3870X2 could hold it's own against a 9800GX2, only because benchmarks with both SLI'd 8800 and CF'd 3870's show that CF setups generally scale better. That's not to say that the 3870X2 will dominate or even win, but I'd wager there is at least a small chance that the two will tie...
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