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Daemon_UK said:
They said this about the GF1, GF2, GF2:Ultra, GF3, GF4...so why you'd buy this now after all this time is beyond me?
Of course Nvidia is going to hype the NV30 as the best thing since sliced bread...that's all they have going for them at the moment. By the way, I think that's their answer to the R300: Hype.
Nagorak said:They said this about the GF1, GF2, GF2:Ultra, GF3, GF4...so why you'd buy this now after all this time is beyond me?
Of course Nvidia is going to hype the NV30 as the best thing since sliced bread...that's all they have going for them at the moment. By the way, I think that's their answer to the R300: Hype.
All the fuss they made about the gf2s NSR despite the fact that every single gf2 demo ran on a gf1 lol
Any company will try to market it´s products the best it can. Big surprise in any PR there are exaggerations and hype.
Those that have shown some appreciation for FSAA and anisotropic filtering so far should know more or less what the differences in implementations between Radeons and GeForces have been so far; I wouldn´t think that the next batch will be fundamentally different in approach from either company, just improved by a lot.
It really comes down to preferences I guess, with the above just being one case example of differences that are easier recognizable.
There´s really no guarantee that either card will turn out as expected. Better expect a bit less to run into pleasant surprises then disappointments.
Those that have shown some appreciation for FSAA and anisotropic filtering so far should know more or less what the differences in implementations between Radeons and GeForces have been so far; I wouldn´t think that the next batch will be fundamentally different in approach from either company, just improved by a lot.
It really comes down to preferences I guess, with the above just being one case example of differences that are easier recognizable.
There´s really no guarantee that either card will turn out as expected. Better expect a bit less to run into pleasant surprises then disappointments.
When the R300 arrives I think we are going to have a cracking firework compared to the damp squib that was the Parhelia.
I don't see much point in nVidia bringing out a turbo charged GF4 though, especially with the NV30 on the horizon. What would be the point in buying one.
Anyway I'll have sit this one out, I've just bought a new house and my GFX card money went on a new sofa to go with the new TV
I don't see much point in nVidia bringing out a turbo charged GF4 though, especially with the NV30 on the horizon. What would be the point in buying one.
Anyway I'll have sit this one out, I've just bought a new house and my GFX card money went on a new sofa
to go with the new TV Show me where they claimed this for any of the products you mentioned, I'd like to see that. So before you go and roll your eyes off at Daemon_UK back off a bit, will you?Nagorak said:Daemon_UK said:
They said this about the GF1, GF2, GF2:Ultra, GF3, GF4...so why you'd buy this now after all this time is beyond me?
Of course Nvidia will do what they can to hype the NV30, that statement is the best proof (and ATi has certainly learned their lesson and is doing excactly the same thing lately). Their PR has always been exceptionally good at hyping things, but they always generated different hype for each of their products. Saying things like "taking a giant leap forward", "invaluable for the future of 3D" or "a major breaktrough" like they've done in the past concerning 32bit, T&L, FSAA or V&P-Shaders is one thing, its hype and exxagerated, but its different than claiming that their biggest contribution to the industry is yet to come. Yeah that's hype too, probably their biggest yet, but its got to be backed up with a product later on. NV30 will have to offer some very cool features to justify that kind of promotion, the track record shows that nvidia usually delivers.
Of course one should take the statement with more than just a grain of salt, its PR after all, NV30 won't be the "perfect" chip, nor devestate all the competition. All companies are using the same ingredients after all, its not magic - but if that statement and other rumors don't get you interested in the least as to what the NV30 is really going to have to offer, while on the other hand believing every hype about the R300, then something is wrong with your attitude ...
Show me where Nvidia has explicitly and officially stated the NV30 is a major breakthrough. Or are we just going on rumors and "leaks"?
I stand by my original statement, especially in relation to the "ground breaking" GF3. They say this stuff every time. I don't blame them for hyping their products, but you can't say that this is the first time they've suggested that "OMG! The world is coming to an end with the release of our new fastest card!".
As for my believing every hype about the R300. I actually don't believe any of it. The only thing I care about is it will be faster than then 8500. I think that's a given. In fact if it's even faster than the Ti4600 by 20% I will be satisfied. So I don't see that I'm buying into all the hype at all.
By the way, just like the NV30, we've seen no official hype of the R300 yet either.
I stand by my original statement, especially in relation to the "ground breaking" GF3. They say this stuff every time. I don't blame them for hyping their products, but you can't say that this is the first time they've suggested that "OMG! The world is coming to an end with the release of our new fastest card!".
As for my believing every hype about the R300. I actually don't believe any of it. The only thing I care about is it will be faster than then 8500. I think that's a given. In fact if it's even faster than the Ti4600 by 20% I will be satisfied. So I don't see that I'm buying into all the hype at all.
By the way, just like the NV30, we've seen no official hype of the R300 yet either.
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It will be interesting though to see how much of the rumors were actually true, some of them will be true, and some of them will not...
one other thing we need to think about is the time frame and price these cards will be introduced at
if say the R300 is released now, but the NV30 isn't out till '03 then that gives ATI a long time to make a killing, they will have bar none the bestest card out there for the time, but then if the nv30 is released in '03 maybe with that extra time nvidia has tweaked it so it's even better then the r300, then in that case at that specific time THAT one would be the bestest one
Since we can obviously see that nv30 and r300 will not be launched at the same time on the same day then we can pretty much say when they are released they will be the bestest thing at the time, unless of course one is lacking in some major feature or performance compared to the other one... and we just won't know that till they are announced with full specs
or maybe i'm just rambling on about nothing
*shrug*
I am looking forward to the anouncement of the R300, because I'm interested in the technology of the new core, and I'm also anticipating the nice discussions the launch will kick-start.
On the other hand side, I couldn't care less about the actual R300 VGA (Radeon9000 or whatever it will be called). Give it a couple of months in the hands of actual end-users, then I might be interested in considering a video board my next choice. I simply don't get those discussions about what-card-will-kill-what-board-with-DooM3 and the like. It's irrelevant for me, and actually rather pointless. I think everybody here will agree that drivers can make or break a product, just as much as actual developers' support. And both will take time.
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I am looking forward to the anouncement of the R300, because I'm interested in the technology of the new core, and I'm also anticipating the nice discussions the launch will kick-start.
On the other hand side, I couldn't care less about the actual R300 VGA (Radeon9000 or whatever it will be called). Give it a couple of months in the hands of actual end-users, then I might be interested in considering a video board my next choice. I simply don't get those discussions about what-card-will-kill-what-board-with-DooM3 and the like. It's irrelevant for me, and actually rather pointless. I think everybody here will agree that drivers can make or break a product, just as much as actual developers' support. And both will take time.
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I think the Radeon 9700(the next gen part) will either make or break Ati. I am allmost postive I will buy this without reading reviews or anything(from my experience with my Radeon8500.) but I may look at one review(before getting), and then read a bunch when I have the card.
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g: Nvidia releases an 'internal document' that absolutely trashes the R300.
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Dave B(TotalVR) said:
How about nvidia releasing DET drivers full of bugs to a site doing a R300 review. The DET drivers show the geforce4 Ti4600 almost on pare with the R300. The site is told the drivers will be available by the end of the week. 3 months later end users finally recieve the drivers. EG. AnandTech at the launch of the Radeon 8500. AnandTech recieved these drivers the day before the Radeon 8500 "preview". Of course nvidias drivers never did appear and turned out to be nothing but a ploy to diswade potential customers from buying ATI products which would have resulted in nvidia losing market share to ATI....sick marketing scam.
" While originally intended to be released alongside NVIDIA’s fall product line, increasing pressure from their chief competitor forced NVIDIA to push the release of their Detonator 4 drivers earlier than expected. The drivers will be released this week by NVIDIA and carry a version number of 20.xx, we tested with 20.80. Do not ask us to send you the drivers, you will have to wait for NVIDIA’s release later this week. ."
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1516
