It does upscaling, but not during rewind or ff, so it is kind of easy to see the difference.
A comparison of PS3 and 360 as media players
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WHat kind of resize is it doing? bicubic, lanczos?
It certainly isn't the same as the upscaling that it applies to DVDs though, right?
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Depends, a lot of different sizes, the ones i'd like resized would probably be around 480p in either 16:9 or 4:3 aspect ratios (ie. 640x480).
Some are also 352x288 though.
Of course with higher resolution vids (ie 720p and above) you wouldnt care about the resizing.
I prefer PS3
PS3-You can rip audio CDs to muliple codecs/bitrates, using track listing data from an online database
360-You are limited to WMA, a preset bitrate, using a local database that wastes space on the harddrive
PS3-You can edit metadata including the thumbnail
PS3-animated thumbnails for video
PS3-better divx/xvid support according to the dvix corporation themselves
PS3-RemotePlay
PS3-You can copy MP3s (or movies, photos) straight off a USB/flash drive/CD/DVD/etc and even to USB/flash drives
360-You must rip an audio CD. You cannot copy videos/photos to or from the system
PS3-The XMB is far more organized/user friendly than the NXE
PS3-Pressing X on a movie/photo/music file plays the file, pressing triangle brings up a context menu
360-Pressing A on a movie/photo/music file brings up a context menu
PS3-The on screen remote has every option a real remote does
360-The on screen remote has like 10 features, and you cant even fast forward music
PS3-Lets you plug in any 2.5 inch sata harddrive
360-Lets you buy any 360 harddrive for many times the cost/gigabyte than regular drives
PS3-File delete/copy/move multiple options letting you select individual files from a list
360-You can delete files one by one, or everything on the drive
PS3-HQV DVD benchmarking score: 120/130
360-HQV DVD benchmarking score: 20/130
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2088533,00.asp
http://www.hometheaterblog.com/hometheater/2007/01/review-sony-playstation-3-bd-playback/
PS3-Bluray player keeps getting upgraded
360-The HDDVD player didnt even support online functionality, and is dead.
PS3-You can rip audio CDs to muliple codecs/bitrates, using track listing data from an online database
360-You are limited to WMA, a preset bitrate, using a local database that wastes space on the harddrive
PS3-You can edit metadata including the thumbnail
PS3-animated thumbnails for video
PS3-better divx/xvid support according to the dvix corporation themselves
PS3-RemotePlay
PS3-You can copy MP3s (or movies, photos) straight off a USB/flash drive/CD/DVD/etc and even to USB/flash drives
360-You must rip an audio CD. You cannot copy videos/photos to or from the system
PS3-The XMB is far more organized/user friendly than the NXE
PS3-Pressing X on a movie/photo/music file plays the file, pressing triangle brings up a context menu
360-Pressing A on a movie/photo/music file brings up a context menu
PS3-The on screen remote has every option a real remote does
360-The on screen remote has like 10 features, and you cant even fast forward music
PS3-Lets you plug in any 2.5 inch sata harddrive
360-Lets you buy any 360 harddrive for many times the cost/gigabyte than regular drives
PS3-File delete/copy/move multiple options letting you select individual files from a list
360-You can delete files one by one, or everything on the drive
PS3-HQV DVD benchmarking score: 120/130
360-HQV DVD benchmarking score: 20/130
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2088533,00.asp
http://www.hometheaterblog.com/hometheater/2007/01/review-sony-playstation-3-bd-playback/
PS3-Bluray player keeps getting upgraded
360-The HDDVD player didnt even support online functionality, and is dead.
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You forgot that the 360 generates as much heat and noise as a jet turbine while playing disks.
But really I don't think everyone is disputing that the PS3 is a far better media machine.
The ability to use custom soundtracks for all 360 games is a good feature though.
Gradthrawn
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Joker, any updated impressions of the c-200? I'm curious to see how its faired over time.
Live in Michigan for a month, and then try and tell me that's a bad thing.
Live in Michigan for a month, and then try and tell me that's a bad thing.
That's not true of the newer models (Jasper).
That's a two part answer
Would I recommend the c-200 to others? No chance. It has a horrific amount of firmware bugs which they are addressing, but far too slowly. For example, it still doesn't properly support a gigabit network, you have to set it at 10/100 mode for it to work right. There's a forum out there dedicated to the device and the amount of issues people are having with it, and you can tell some are getting really frustrated with it.
Having said that does it work for me? Yup, overall I'm happy with it. The main point to note is that my needs for the unit are incredibly simple. It hooks directly to a bedroom tv via a single hdmi cable, and it plays my bluray rips from the raid drive downstairs, complete with chapters and menu support all via network. That's all I do with it and for that purpose it's working well. There is only one issue I have with it, on movies with an hd audio track (DTSHDMA or Dolby TrueHD) when I skip forward chapters sometimes the unit gets lost, but a quick rewind fixes it. Aside from that no other issues.
I'd say that if you want to use the unit as your main media player in your media room then I'd pass on it and just go with a PC. That's what I do, our tv room has a PC that's been working flawlessly for ages now whereas the c-200 is simply too buggy to use as a main media player. I use the My Movies media center plugin, so I can sit on the couch, turn on the PC with the remote and scroll thru my movies with this interface:
http://www.mymovies.dk/media/7260/07.png
It's really sweet
PC is definitely the way to go for your main room. But for playing back our bluray rips in the bedroom over network the c-200 works fine.This one is false (except for the dead bit, but you don't need updates if there's no new titles
)Our player did online just as well as any other HD DVD player.
Your other criticisms are pretty accurate, but as usual, you carefully picked items where the PS3 would shine, and didn't pick ones where it doesn't or has no functionality.
360: Solid netflix implementation, built right into the dashboard.
PS3: Reasonable netflix implementation, requiring you to insert a disc every time you want to use it.
360: Zune video marketplace, instant on streaming high def video purchases and rentals. Download your purchases anytime you want, or stream them and don't use HDD space.
PS3: Kinda has a movie download service? If you accidentally delete a show you bought to make room too many times, you're out of luck. Pay again, sucker.
360: Last.FM integration. This gets used a lot in our household. At your fingertips, no hassle.
PS3: You can kinda/sorta do this with the browser.
360: Media Center Extender. (Don't use this much myself, but a number of my friends bought the 360 because of the extender)
PS3: ...
360: Media Room IPTV, starting to roll out now, replaces your set top box for folks who qualify.
PS3: I remember some TV adapter thing in asia. Haven't seen anything else similar since.
This is why I never trust the "feature grid" so loved by computer and cellphone companies. As long as you choose the features carefully, you can make it say anything.
I use the Zune video and netflix stuff a _lot_. In fact, I do all my netflix viewing through the xbox. (Coupled with an iPod touch app for doing searches and adding them to queues, I don't have to use the computer at all for netflix
). I don't have a lot of video on my network to stream, and I don't use the xbox for mp3 storage and listening, that's what ipods are for. For my requirements, the PS3 would be a very poor choice.Not interested in bullet point war, but here're some clarifications and corrections...
Yes, Netflix has a limited digital library though (Mostly catalog titles). New ones are 28 days late compared to DVD/Blu-ray. XMB version is coming in Fall. Only for US.
Has a movie and TV download service. Complements Netflix with newer releases and HD editions. Download only (for rental and purchase). There is a tool that will backup purchased movies. If you lost both, you'll have to call customer support.
For built-in movie streaming, Sony plans to bring Bravia Internet Link to PS3, but it's not here yet. It's designed for TV, so no HDD is required.
For browser video streaming, try YouTube, BBC iPlayer, and a couple of others (e.g., DivX streaming services, Sling Media).
You are right. There is no built-in Internet Radio tool (even though one is available on PSP).
Internet radio, and other open media can be accessed via a DLNA server like PS3 Media Server.
You enter the radio station RSS feed to the server and let it stream to PS3 under the Music icon.
Best version so far is PS3 Media Server. It's free and open sourced.
PlayTV for PAL territories. Torne for Japan. Nothing for US. Record a TV program while you play a game. Not IPTV.
Yes, Netflix has a limited digital library though (Mostly catalog titles). New ones are 28 days late compared to DVD/Blu-ray. XMB version is coming in Fall. Only for US.
Has a movie and TV download service. Complements Netflix with newer releases and HD editions. Download only (for rental and purchase). There is a tool that will backup purchased movies. If you lost both, you'll have to call customer support.
For built-in movie streaming, Sony plans to bring Bravia Internet Link to PS3, but it's not here yet. It's designed for TV, so no HDD is required.
For browser video streaming, try YouTube, BBC iPlayer, and a couple of others (e.g., DivX streaming services, Sling Media).
You are right. There is no built-in Internet Radio tool (even though one is available on PSP).
Internet radio, and other open media can be accessed via a DLNA server like PS3 Media Server.
You enter the radio station RSS feed to the server and let it stream to PS3 under the Music icon.
Best version so far is PS3 Media Server. It's free and open sourced.
PlayTV for PAL territories. Torne for Japan. Nothing for US. Record a TV program while you play a game. Not IPTV.
the biggest problem for comparisons here is regional divide. The services available to NA customers are very different to those available to EU and Asian customers, across both platforms. Thus a feature advantage for one machine might not exist for that same machine in a different region, which makes comparisons like this inaccurate.
Has anyone the time and inclination to draw up a complete regionalised feature comparison chart?!
What's the point in having multiple codecs if your console can handle all of them.
Boy that going to be fun to do on a controller
Divx can only speak for themselves and not xvid, but the Xbox 360 has a standards compliant implementation mpeg-4 ASP decoder and therefore paid the licensing for the patent holders of mpeg-4 ASP.
When that xbox 360 article was written, the PS3 score was 38/130 so the article is certainly out of date. And there's quite a bit of conflicting information out there.
http://hcc.techradar.com/reviews/ne...nsole+both+better+and+worse+original+28+08+09
"But with this iteration there’s a notable increase in audio jitter, which is up to 461.7ps. And as a DVD player it’s poor, with a measured high frequency response of -6.14dB (@ 5.8MHz). ‘This is where the wheels fall off - a dreadful figure,’ bemoans the Lab report."
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?articles=125&function=search
"0dB @6MHz"
Also you can play h.264 encoded files with AC3 5.1 audio in the mkv container if you installed the Divx MKV media foundation pack without transcoding in Media Center.
Yeah, headache. If only it were possible to plug in any industry-standard USB keyboard and type on that...
I think this is only in analog output. It's irrelevant to anyone wanting surround sound from ps3 as then you need to use either optical out or hdmi.
Yeah, headache. If only it were possible to plug in any industry-standard USB keyboard and type on that...
Yes, it's useful to edit the meta data sometimes. The PS3 can group media based on them. It's also easier to search the songs. The global CD databases do not track all CDs. So it is possible to end up with generic track names (Track X) after a rip, especially obscure foreign CDs.
If you want to use the Xbox as a storage medium for all your content, then I can see a lot of your complaints as being valid, but most people don't do that(including myself). Their photos, video & music are usually on their PC, USB storage or the cloud. Xbox can view photos and play music & video on the PC via the network(it's also a DLNA client just like the PS3). You can view your photos through it's custom Facebook app. It also allows you to view photos, play music or videos on an attached USB storage device. So if you store all your media(photos, music & video) on a 1TB external USB hard drive you'll be able to view & play any of it. Xbox exceeds as a media player when your source of your data is located elsewhere. Microsoft got that right. It's a game machine that has great media functionality no matter where your content is. You don't need to turn it into your home storage.
Personally all my photos & music are stored on my PC. I've got access to all of it via my network. So why would I want to move it to the Xbox? The Xbox is for storing game content. Video is a little different though. I don't store any video anywhere since it doesn't make sense to. I either use my DVDs or stream off the Internet. The Xbox is great at streaming. I either use the Netflix streaming app on my Xbox or I stream Hulu or other providers from my PC to the Xbox using PlayOn.TV. And I have complete control over all of it just using my Harmony remote. Personally, I don't see how the PS3 could add anything more to that other than Bluray. I've contemplated adding Bluray, but since I can now get a Bluray player under $150, there is no reason to invest in a PS3.
Tommy McClain
I always scratch my head at that one also. Do people really put all their personal files on their game console? What if the hard drive dies, do they lose everything? What if the console itself dies, then what do they do? What if they want to use their music, pictures, videos, etc, on some other device, then what do they do if all their media is on a console? I guess I just don't get it. With external drives, raid, etc, being so cheap now, it seems crazy to store everything on the console. The console is suppose to serve as a dumb terminal of sorts, the means to access your content. It's not supposed to be the storage repository of all content. I mean you can use it that way but it seems far too limiting at best, and at risk of losing all your content at worst.
Yes 8^)
...unless by clarification/correction, you mean creating more confusion.
Btw, I do store all my media on the ps3, but some are backed up elsewhere. Why ? Because my laptop is doing other heavy lifting and I like the ps3 photo app. Not to mention you have no choice for purchased PSN media.
...unless by clarification/correction, you mean creating more confusion.
Btw, I do store all my media on the ps3, but some are backed up elsewhere. Why ? Because my laptop is doing other heavy lifting and I like the ps3 photo app. Not to mention you have no choice for purchased PSN media.
That didnt make sense. How does handling all of them negate the need for them?
For starters, the point in multiple codecs is PS3 lets you copy the files off of it.
Sure, you select a file, press triangle, click on edit information, click the thumbnail, select a photo, press X
And so has Sony, only PS3 also is divx certified. 360 is not
Then find more up to date scores for 360.
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