A bit of NV30 speculation from Xbit...

[Althornin]

Outdated?!? You have got to be joking. Just before their demise, 3dfx had some of the most advanced 3d tech in the industry. They just didn't have the money to implement it. GigaPixel tech probably would have dominated the market if they hadn't been bought out by 3dfx. Oh, and by the way, Nvidia began early development on NV30 shortly after the buyout of 3dfx, so they have had quite some time take advantage of the "outdated" 3dfx tech.

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YES.
OUTDATED.
What cant you understand about this concept:
Tech may be great - delay it 2 extra years, and its not so great.
You people tend to "martyrize" far too much.
Beside, dotn take this the wrong way - but i dont really take statements from fanbois like yourself as fact - IE, you saying "oh and by the way, blah balh blah" holds ZERO water with me - you are the LEAST credible source i can imagine. You people act like EVERY other company has no tech/IP that could hold a candle to 3dfx tech - but you dont what tech other companies have,c ause they didnt die and leak info.
So basically, yyour assumptions are groundless.

 

[Evildeus]

YES.
OUTDATED.
[...]
So basically, yyour assumptions are groundless.

Sorry to point that but where are your sources? Sure, his assumptions are groundless, but yours are also groundless, till you can prove that the techn developped by 3DFx are really outdated

 

[kid_crisis]

YES.
OUTDATED.
What cant you understand about this concept:
Tech may be great - delay it 2 extra years, and its not so great.

Perhaps the specific implementations of those designs will not be so great after two years. The concepts however, have a much longer half-life. Also, many of the people from 3dfx and Gigapixel are working at Nvidia now. What, are the actual chip designers outdated as well?

 

[MiNdVelocity]

Ok you want something grounded. Well I will give you a little example............. are you ready? Ok here we go. You say that the 3dfx tech from 2 years ago is outdated, well I can see where you are coming from, however, you fail to remember that the Geforce 256, Geforce 2, Geforce 3, and Geforce 4 are all based on the same basic architecture!!! Hmmm... lets see now about 2 years ago, that was around the Geforce 2 generation, what do ya know, that architecture is still in use in Geforce 4. Also you failed to mention all of the products that 3dfx never released and all those brilliant engineers and patents that now work for or belong to Nvidia. That's it for today's lesson.

 

[antlers]

I think you can say the GeForce 3 is based on a substantively different architecture than the GeForce 256. You only had to look at the game incompatibilities at the time they introduced it for evidence...

 

[Althornin]

YES.
OUTDATED.
[...]
So basically, yyour assumptions are groundless.

Sorry to point that but where are your sources? Sure, his assumptions are groundless, but yours are also groundless, till you can prove that the techn developped by 3DFx are really outdated

Well, now, thats true
OTOH, i am mainly just offering an alternative view because i am sick of hearing about this "great 3dfx tech that beats anyone elses tech cause they were 3dfx LONG LIVE 3dfx!!!!!!!"
I just dont get the logic behind thinking that no other company could have had tech that could compete.

That's it for today's lesson

"Same basic architecture" - sure, so is every video card nVidia released. They are all based on a simple IMR. Yeah, nice argument.
Look, sorry that insulting your precious 3dfx tech pissed you off.
Sorry, but you have no cred here. And thus, your unfounded statements dont hold water with me. Show me the "superior 3dfx tech".
Show me the superior products. Oh wait. You cant.
Thanks, try again tomorrow (i guess that'll be tomorrows lesson huh )

 

[MiNdVelocity]

People like Althornin are funny. Here I am just trying to make a point and there he goes putting words in my mouth to make me sound stupid. Dude, When did I say that no other company could compete with 3dfx tech? Maybe you were talking about someone else. And regardless of what all the 3dfx fanboys say, you can't just throughout the concept that 3dfx tech MIGHT push NV30 past the new Radeons. Anyway, all I am saying is don't underestimate Nvidia or what 3dfx brought to the table. Its as simple as that.

 

[Johnathan256]

Good point, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[T2k]

People like Althornin are funny.

Not more than boring 3dfx-fans....

 

[Althornin]

People like Althornin are funny. Here I am just trying to make a point and there he goes putting words in my mouth to make me sound stupid. Dude, When did I say that no other company could compete with 3dfx tech? Maybe you were talking about someone else. And regardless of what all the 3dfx fanboys say, you can't just throughout the concept that 3dfx tech MIGHT push NV30 past the new Radeons. Anyway, all I am saying is don't underestimate Nvidia or what 3dfx brought to the table. Its as simple as that.

Ah - you finally learn moderation.
My only point to you is, and has been, that you dont have any credibility here, so statements like

just before their demise,3dfx had some of the most advanced 3d tech in the industry

(by the way, this is where you say no other company could compte with 3dfx tech - most advanced = best...) are simple 3dfx propaganda without hard data to back it up. We've heard that song 2 billion times - its still boring, its still unsubstantiated, and its still worthless.
I didnt mean to thread jack, i am just sick of the martyr syndrome and misinformation about 3dfx.

I NEVER said the NV30 will NOT be faster than the R300. I just said that no one knows that it WILL be faster, and to say so is foolish - especially based on the utter lack of hard specs of the NV30. To assume it will be faster is just as foolish as assuming it wont be.
Anyways, enough of this pissing contest.

 

[Dave Baumann]

Good point, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Agreeing with yourself? My, my.

 

[MiNdVelocity]

Ya got me Dave!

 

[Testiculus Giganticus]

What I meant was that DX9 won`t be delayed if NV30 is late. Its release schedule hasn`t yet been modified. And about that haunting post, if you look at it again, I didn`t say that NV30 was around the corner, I just said that at the time we were waiting for a new metal rev. Take it as you wish.
Right now, it`s hard to predict when NV30 will be available in quantities, but almost certainly this year it will be pretty hard for the average user to get one. By the way, there is a minor surprise as to what it will be called

 

[Evildeus]

By the way, there is a minor surprise as to what it will be called

Hmmm? What?

 

[RussSchultz]

It wouldn't be a suprise if he told you, would it?

 

[McElvis]

By the way, there is a minor surprise as to what it will be called

Hmmm? What?

If there is a minor surprise as to what it will be called, then I think it will be the ... GeForce5

Everyone expects it to be called something different.

 

[jvd]

ohhh the rampage .... yea thats it thats what they will call it .... or mabye the nvidia vaporware...

 

[Testiculus Giganticus]

Perhaps, perhaps not. 8) Anyway, I think that most of you will agree that this is one of the most anticipated chips of all time. Some wait to flame while others wait to worship, but they all wait to see what the holy NV30 will be.And for me, that means sales and free marketing ergo a possible raise

 

[Althornin]

Perhaps, perhaps not. 8) Anyway, I think that most of you will agree that this is one of the most anticipated chips of all time. Some wait to flame while others wait to worship, but they all wait to see what the holy NV30 will be.And for me, that means sales and free marketing ergo a possible raise

will it be named after you?
The "Testiculus 256"
hehehe

 

[McElvis]

Perhaps, perhaps not. 8) Anyway, I think that most of you will agree that this is one of the most anticipated chips of all time. Some wait to flame while others wait to worship, but they all wait to see what the holy NV30 will be.And for me, that means sales and free marketing ergo a possible raise

I'll drink to that 8)