A bit of NV30 speculation from Xbit...

[Johnathan256]

Does anyone in here honestly think that Nvidia would release a product that will be beat by the competition upon its release? Though it is a great product, the Radeon 9700 is only about 1.5 times faster than Nvidia's last generation. Big wow! Currently, Ati is pushing DDR-II and DDR3 through development and production as fast as they can because their traditional architecture is going to require a heap load of bandwidth to even begin to compete with NV30. Ati knows Nvidia is cooking up something good and after NV30 hits the stores, they will be scrambling to catch up only by putting a ton of advanced memory on their cards. I bet that will really help their prices.

 

[antlers]

Does anyone in here honestly think that Nvidia would release a product that will be beat by the competition upon its release? Though it is a great product, the Radeon 9700 is only about 1.5 times faster than Nvidia's last generation.

When not CPU limitied, the 9700 can be two or three times as fast as the 4600. If the NV30 came out before the 9700 and offered a similar speed-bump in existing games, no one would have been disappointed.

You can't assume that the NV30's design has gotten faster just because it's taken longer than expected to implement. It's late and therefore will not be as competitive as it was designed to be.

nVidia may well be in a position that they have to put out a card that will be beat by its competition, at least in some circumstances. They've already said that they don't expect the NV30 to make a significant contribution to revenue. In any case, they are resourceful marketers, and I am sure they will be able to find some benchmarks where there card is faster. Particularly if they come up with benchmarks that use very long shaders.

 

[Saem]

We'll see next quarter. I don't think it's so simple. On B3D, we were arging V5 vs GF2, but Nvidia was raking in the money on TNT Vanta's, a chip that none of us would touch with a ten foot pole and which was inferior to mostly everything on the market..

You're right Intel will take the market by storm thanks to Dell and the i845 series of motherboards with integrated graphics.

 

[Bigus Dickus]

Though it is a great product, the Radeon 9700 is only about 1.5 times faster than Nvidia's last generation. Big wow!

Big wow ideed! Can you point to any NVIDIA product that has had that kind of performance leap over the previous generation?

Currently, Ati is pushing DDR-II and DDR3 through development and production as fast as they can because their traditional architecture is going to require a heap load of bandwidth to even begin to compete with NV30.

And just how dissapointed would you be if you found out the NV30 was also a "traditional" architecture? While rumors of "3dfx tech" and "gigapixel tech" abound, there is still no firm information to indicate it will be anything other than a "traditional" architecture. And if the NV30 doesn't have magic pixie dust in it, then what about the grandiose claims of it blowing the doors off the 9700?

Ati knows Nvidia is cooking up something good and after NV30 hits the stores, they will be scrambling to catch up only by putting a ton of advanced memory on their cards. I bet that will really help their prices.

Perhaps ATi knows that NVIDIA makes great graphics chips, and has a tradition of being at the front lines of current performance. Perhaps they know that the 9700 won't remain the top dog indefinitely against competitor's new products, and perhaps they know that advanced memory technology will play a role in all company's future products. Or... have you forgotten that the NV30 will have a ton of that same advanced memory on it? I'm betting that will help its price as well.

 

[alexsok]

DigiTimes Reports :

Nvidia and ATi are introducing a series of new products in the fourth quarter. Nvidia will unveil its top-end NV30 chip with more than 2 product versions in November. ATi is also expected to continue filling out its product line with the Radeon 9500 and 9700 chips on October 24, Radeon 9500 Pro next month for the medium-range segment, with card products sold at US$219 and higher-end R350 some time later. Besides competing with each other, Nvidia and ATI have also been aggressive in introducing more high-end chips in hope that these new products would outmatch the increasing integrated chipsets in performance and thus confine them to the entry-level market.

* Sources revealed that NV30 will be known as GeForce5 and follow on with the Titanium versions.

 

[no_way]

This seems to kinda confirm the rumour for DX9 not coming out this year.
( http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2854 )
I remember some source claiming that NV30 and DX9 will be available at the same time

 

[T2k]

Does anyone in here honestly think that Nvidia would release a product that will be beat by the competition upon its release? Though it is a great product, the Radeon 9700 is only about 1.5 times faster than Nvidia's last generation. Big wow! Currently, Ati is pushing DDR-II and DDR3 through development and production as fast as they can because their traditional architecture is going to require a heap load of bandwidth to even begin to compete with NV30. Ati knows Nvidia is cooking up something good and after NV30 hits the stores, they will be scrambling to catch up only by putting a ton of advanced memory on their cards. I bet that will really help their prices.

Wishful thinkin'...

 

[Testiculus Giganticus]

DX9 will not be held back by NV30. The other way arround is likely.

 

[kid_crisis]

Any new rumors you can tell us, Testiculus? Did a new batch of silicon come back last weekend as we heard?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

You're arguing about the wrong OEM thing here, how many OEM wins does the Gf4Ti4600 have aganist the Gf4MX? The Gf4Ti range is also just an option in the majority of big OEM's, just like the 9700.

Fair enough. The R9700 was never intended for OEM cards, and will live and die on retail shelves. As such, it is more of a threat to NVIDIA's prestige than to its revenue base.

As you point out, the R9000/9500 *are* OEM chips, and NVIDIA would do well to be quite concerned about them.

 

[Simon Templar]

Testiculus Giganticus,

A previous post of yours contradicts yout last post:

http://216.180.225.194/~beyond3d/forum/viewtopic.php?p=39616&highlight=#39616

So which is it? What happened to the set in stone schedule?

-Simon

 

[Snap]

So which is it? What happened to the set in stone schedule?

Is this the similar type of schedule that TG thinks NV30 was on?

The poly power is fudged. Their sources may have mistaken the number . The 3DMark stuff is q bit exaggerated. From what I know, it will achieve that kind of gain over a 4600 in special conditions of extreme stress being laid on the vid card. OTOH, the next incarnation of 3DM may show exactly that kind of gain. Doom 3 performance is an estimate and it WAS NOT taken on SIMULATORS, but on the latest beta board. The tape out stuff is like this: the final chip should come back these days, beta chips and boards have been around for some time. Bandwith is indeed calculated using some kind of owerdraw removing method, but I am not at liberty to discuss it 8) . Hope it helps extinguish the flames.

 

[Luminescent]

What about the 3 vertex pipeline rumor which accompanied the Nvidia statement of 1.5 times Geforce 4 output? Didn't we conjure, here on the forum, that pipelines come in powers of 2?

 

[T2k]

So which is it? What happened to the set in stone schedule?

Is this the similar type of schedule that TG thinks NV30 was on?

The poly power is fudged. Their sources may have mistaken the number . The 3DMark stuff is q bit exaggerated. From what I know, it will achieve that kind of gain over a 4600 in special conditions of extreme stress being laid on the vid card. OTOH, the next incarnation of 3DM may show exactly that kind of gain. Doom 3 performance is an estimate and it WAS NOT taken on SIMULATORS, but on the latest beta board. The tape out stuff is like this: the final chip should come back these days, beta chips and boards have been around for some time. Bandwith is indeed calculated using some kind of owerdraw removing method, but I am not at liberty to discuss it 8) . Hope it helps extinguish the flames.

Hehehehe...

 

[TempestX]

Here is something of interest for all from 3D Chipset:

Nvidia: Are You Ready?

With Comdex coming up shortly we would have expected this to be coming from Nvidia. Props goes to []-[]@><0|2 who posted this in our forums. Could this be the NV30? I believe so. We still have heard that the new NV30 codename will be, "Omen". Here is the flash intro from Nvidia.

The question Nvidia wants you to know is: Are You Ready?
http://www.nvidia.com/content/areyouready/index.html

 

[Nagorak]

The ATI "are you ready" was better.

 

[Luminescent]

I wonder how many people here already know the specs of the NV30 and are hiding them. I also wonder how long they have had this info. Please be ambiguous and clue us in if you've got the skinny.

 

[Ailuros]

No 8)

 

[Evnas]

DigiTimes Reports :
* Sources revealed that NV30 will be known as GeForce5 and follow on with the Titanium versions.

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I belive an nVidia rep has already stated a couple times that it will NOT be called the GeForce5, heh

 

[alexsok]

I belive an nVidia rep has already stated a couple times that it will NOT be called the GeForce5, heh

You have no idea how many times decisions like that are changed in course of a single day!