3DS got two ARM11s

[wsippel]

Epic says 3DS not powerful enough for the unreal engine.

"You couldn't do a game that looks like [Epic Citadel] on it, for example."
"....but I think if they considered that our engine would be good on it, they would have probably talked to us about it," Rein said."

To come out this early so negative, he's either very sure even though they havn't seen a device yet, or suggests epic has been somehow snubbed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/for...dos-3DS-Specs-Too-Low-for-Epics-Unreal-Engine

Very selective quoting. Rein assumes that the device is not powerful enough (which might or might not be correct - judging by Capcoms 3DS stuff, I have my doubts). They don't have devkits, they don't know the specs, and they haven't even talked to Nintendo.

 

[tangey]

Probably this time they are just sad they spend all their time doing EC for the failphone

You have an interesting definition of failure

Very selective quoting.

Quotes by definition are always selective, unless you quote the entire article.

 

[Teasy]

Yeah right.. that was VERY selective.

 

[sfried]

This is what he actually says:

“It’s below our [minimum specs], from what we can tell. We don’t have a 3DS, so there’s no way for us to verify that, but everything we’ve been led to believe is that it’s below our min-spec. You couldn’t do a game that looks like [Epic Citadel for iPhone] on it, for example.”

“We really don’t know enough about it to make a formal comment, but I think if they considered that our engine would be good on it, they would have probably talked to us about it.”

Epic simply hasn't received any devkits, and are probably going by what IGN said in their article.

 

[Teasy]

Basically the GPU doesn't support OpenGL ES 2.0 so it doesn't fit their engine as is, which we all knew anyway. The only new bit of info there is that Nintendo aren't actively looking to get UE3 ported on to 3DS at the moment, which isn't exactly surprising.

 

[sfried]

Basically the GPU doesn't support OpenGL ES 2.0 so it doesn't fit their engine as is, which we all knew anyway. The only new bit of info there is that Nintendo aren't actively looking to get UE3 ported on to 3DS at the moment, which isn't exactly surprising.

Are you talking about the PICA200 fixed function pipeline? Aren't there programable vertex shaders?

 

[wsippel]

Are you talking about the PICA200 fixed function pipeline? Aren't there programable vertex shaders?

Yes, there are programmable vertex shaders (and geo shaders, which is a D3D10.1 feature as far as I know). There are no programmable pixel shaders, though. Not in a traditional sense. But DMP does offer software to "translate" pixel shaders to Maestro code. And a simple point and click software suite to create real Maestro shaders on PCs, complete with emulation of those effects.

 

[Brad Grenz]

Does UE3 have any memory requirements? That could be a stumbling block as well.

 

[NeoTechni]

If they can do anything "full resolution" it'd be 800x240, not 800x480. I have never heard anything about 800x480, and there'd be no reason why the 3D mode couldn't support 400x480 then.

I doubt the display has 480 lines.

I've heard 240 lines too. I even googled it.

And the devs wouldnt be able to access a full 800*240 in 2D mode, the screen itself sends every other vertical strip of pixels to the other eye.

They'd still have 400*240, with both eyes getting the same image. Which explains why Capcom said RE on it would get AA in 2D mode, it has double the GPU power to use.

I'm not going with the ends justifying the means on this one. Just because Nintendo has reigned supreme on gaming handhelds since their inception it doesn't justify every decision they've made. Okay, for Nintendo's short term bottom line it does, but as far as the userbase is concerned it's in our better interests for companies to be pushing technology forward and not just getting away with what they can get away with.

Agreed completely.

 

[darkblu]

And the devs wouldnt be able to access a full 800*240 in 2D mode, the screen itself sends every other vertical strip of pixels to the other eye.

Source?

 

[NeoTechni]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multim..._Specs_and_Launch_Dates_for_Nintendo_3DS.html

Nintendo 3DS features a 3.53” autostereoscopic 3D top screen with 800x240 resolution (400 pixels for each eye) and a 3.02” bottom touch screen with 320x240 resolution

 

[darkblu]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multim..._Specs_and_Launch_Dates_for_Nintendo_3DS.html

That does not say anything whether the full resolution of 800x240 will or will not be available in 2D mode.

 

[NeoTechni]

That was more to prove it's 240 lines, not 480

 

[darkblu]

That was more to prove it's 240 lines, not 480

That's not what I was asking, though. I'm curious about where you got that other information from (the one I quoted), as that's the first time I hear it, let alone stated in such a confident form.