3 m PSP's already sold worldwide according to sony

[jvd]

This is what sega learned with the nomad . Its graphics were stunning , i dare say better than the gba sp and it played genesis games with out a need to rebuy them . But it lasted 4 hours on 6 double a batterys and that is what killed it

How is that related to PSP? More power requires more electricity. Or are we going to keep GBA kind of graphics for the sake of "battery life"? Which, as it stands, is more than decent on PSP, considering what it does. New batteries will come out to make it better.

we are at 10 hours for n64 graphics right now with online play


Or 4 hours of ps2 graphics with wifi .

For a handheld that is like night and day. Handhelds need a balance and the psp broke that .

 

[jvd]

My gosh, you're so eager to see Sony fail. I can understand you not wanting Nintendo to get their asses handed to them on a silver platter like Sony did to them in the console biz, but jeez, come on. Just let things play out. Don't jump to conclusions. Most of all - if you're going to be a rabid f*nboy, at least yoke it back a little so it doesn't taint the logic of your posts

dc is outselling psp weekly by at least 2 times the amount of units again .

 

[Kolgar]

DC? Or DS?

The sales are unsurprising; PSP is expensive and it's going to be a while before the price comes down so it can start taking sales from Nintendo.

But the day will come.

Regardless, I really think you're overreacting to the whole battery life thing. If it sucks for you, OK. But I'm not having any problem. I think you're just ripping it because you don't want PSP to succeed.

 

[jvd]

The sales are unsurprising; PSP is expensive and it's going to be a while before the price comes down so it can start taking sales from Nintendo.

But the day will come.

What when nintendo stops selling the ds for the next system ?

Regardless, I really think you're overreacting to the whole battery life thing. If it sucks for you, OK. But I'm not having any problem. I think you're just ripping it because you don't want PSP to succeed.

In a portable battery life is as important as graphics and games . If the battery life doesn't permit me a grab and go life style then its not a portable .

All the portables i own , I can go to the mall with my ipod on listening to music , then leave it in the car and go out the next day and not be miffed that the battery will die soon because i forgot to plug it in .

Don't brush a major issue under the rug because you want the psp to succed

 

[archie4oz]

All the portables i own , I can go to the mall with my ipod on listening to music , then leave it in the car and go out the next day and not be miffed that the battery will die soon because i forgot to plug it in .

Same here (and yes that includes my PSP)... And you must be a recent iPodder if you're not miffed at battery life..

 

[Kolgar]

The sales are unsurprising; PSP is expensive and it's going to be a while before the price comes down so it can start taking sales from Nintendo.

But the day will come.

What when nintendo stops selling the ds for the next system ?

Hah, such confidence, jvd! I bet Nintendo fans brushed off Sony's original PlayStation the same way back in 1995.

Give it a year or 18 months. When PSP gets down to $149 or $99, it'll be battling head-to-head for Nintendo's core audience. By then, it'll have a hell of a game library to back it up. Same thing Sony did in the console biz, and we all know how that turned out.

All the portables i own , I can go to the mall with my ipod on listening to music , then leave it in the car and go out the next day and not be miffed that the battery will die soon because i forgot to plug it in .

Don't brush a major issue under the rug because you want the psp to succed

Well, don't forget to plug your portables in, jvd.

But now you're trying to turn this around on me. I don't think I want PSP to succeed so much as you want it to fail.

Anyway, you're certainly right, battery life may well be a concern for some PSP users. These people may want to consider buying a power brick.

You know what? PSP is imperfect in other ways, too. UMD movies are expensive. There's no built-in hard drive. Is the thing durable enough to be handled by kids?

None of it takes away from the fact that this is one cool machine, and future iterations will only get better.

 

[jvd]

All the portables i own , I can go to the mall with my ipod on listening to music , then leave it in the car and go out the next day and not be miffed that the battery will die soon because i forgot to plug it in .

Same here (and yes that includes my PSP)... And you must be a recent iPodder if you're not miffed at battery life..

4th gen baby , that is why i waited .

As for my psp it doesn't get included in the list for me . Actually friday night i went to a club down the shore . My sister was playing the psp for a good hour on the drive. We drove back and she was playing it again . Then saturday my friend was watching starwars on it for about an hour as i drove to one of the malls . Drove back home . Then was leaving for a club and well the system conked out thankfull hoboken is only 15 mins away

 

[Teasy]

My gosh, you're so eager to see Sony fail. I can understand you not wanting Nintendo to get their asses handed to them on a silver platter like Sony did to them in the console biz, but jeez, come on. Just let things play out. Don't jump to conclusions. Most of all - if you're going to be a rabid f*nboy, at least yoke it back a little so it doesn't taint the logic of your posts

Coming from the guy who admits that he wants DS to fail and has already come to the conclusion that it will ultimately fail.. Despite how illogical that is considering how its selling and the list of games it has coming.

 

[Ty]

Coming from the guy who admits that he wants DS to fail and has already come to the conclusion that it will ultimately fail.. Despite how illogical that is considering how its selling and the list of games it has coming.

One is moderator though.

Mind you, I think it's absolutely fine that people have biases (heck, I'm not afraid to admit I loved my Genesis!), it's just when they interfere with their ability to do their job objectively - err, this isn't a statement against jvd per se - just the pitfalls of having biases and not recognizing them. We should all try to understand our own motivations - could be enlightening.

 

[jvd]

Mind you, I think it's absolutely fine that people have biases (heck, I'm not afraid to admit I loved my Genesis!), it's just when they interfere with their ability to do their job objectively - err, this isn't a statement against jvd per se - just the pitfalls of having biases and not recognizing them. We should all try to understand our own motivations - could be enlightening.

Err I'm a mod of the handheld forum ?

Err what is wrong about being upset about battery life which i think is important to a portable console who's only purpose is to provide gaming on the go ?

Its funny that i don't see you poping up complaining when i put down the xbox or when i put down other things .

But since I do't like what you like i'm obviously bias .

Its sad that this is the excuse from most of you who love the psp when I bring up its battery life .

But its a simple fact that its battery life is poor and its a portable system where to many people being able to play it on trips is important .

 

[Kolgar]

Coming from the guy who admits that he wants DS to fail and has already come to the conclusion that it will ultimately fail.. Despite how illogical that is considering how its selling and the list of games it has coming.

Teasy, I knew I'd hear from you. Let me clarify my position.

As you know, I think the philosophy behind DS is bass-ackward: Let's build a machine with unusual features and see what developers do with it.

I think that's wonky. I believe necessity should be the mother of invention. You innovate to address real, specific needs - not merely to be different.

That said, I appreciate what some devs have been able to do with the system, and think Nintendodogs is actually a pretty good idea.

I can't say that I want any platform to fail. What's the point of that? I may not really groove on DS, but there's a lot of people who do, so I hope it does well for their sakes. It sucks when a platform you own goes belly-up.

Do I think DS will fail? Not likely. All signs point to at least moderate success, if not great success. However, I am unclear about what exactly Nintendo means by all its "third pillar" talk. What really are their intentions?

Will the next Gameboy include a stylus and two screens? Then is it really a Gameboy? What if it doesn't have those features? Wouldn't the release of a new GB in another year or two deal a blow to people who are buying DS now? Does Nintendo really want to split its development resources between the DS line and its more traditional Gameboy line?

There are a lot of questions surrounding all this, and if you can answer any of them, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to understand Nintendo's strategies for the GB and DS lines, whether they will merge, what it means for them if they stay separate, etc.

Perhaps I'd be less critical of DS if I could make sense of what Nintendo's trying to do with it.

 

[jvd]

Do I think DS will fail? Not likely. All signs point to at least moderate success, if not great success. However, I am unclear about what exactly Nintendo means by all its "third pillar" talk. What really are their intentions?

The next gen console is pillar 1 , the next gen gb is pillar 2 and the ds is pillar 3 .

The ds will be the low cost portable with the direct upgrade path from the gba systems .

The new gb will be a higher end gaming system most likely in another 2 years .

 

[Kolgar]

Err what is wrong about being upset about battery life which i think is important to a portable console who's only purpose is to provide gaming on the go ?

Gaming is PSP's only purpose? jvd, have you been paying attention?

Its sad that this is the excuse from most of you who love the psp when I bring up its battery life .

I know you weren't replying directly to me, jvd, and I really don't mean anything personal by this, but your posts very definitely betray a "pro-Nintendo/anti-Sony" slant. Which is fine if you have logical arguments and real, constructive criticisms; but less so if not.

Your complaints about PSP's battery life are well noted. Being a longtime Gameboy user, the difference probably is very noticeable to you. I suggest you purchase a power brick or a third-party, longer-life battery if it bothers you that much.

 

[Kolgar]

The next gen console is pillar 1 , the next gen gb is pillar 2 and the ds is pillar 3 .

The ds will be the low cost portable with the direct upgrade path from the gba systems .

The new gb will be a higher end gaming system most likely in another 2 years .

Do you think we can expect DS compatibility in the new GB? Or not - hence the different "pillars"?

Thank you for replying.

 

[jvd]

Gaming is PSP's only purpose? jvd, have you been paying attention?

Heh . Then call it its primary focus . They did name it a playstation portable , not a tv portable or a sony mp3 walkmen.

I know you weren't replying directly to me, jvd, and I really don't mean anything personal by this, but your posts very definitely betray a "pro-Nintendo/anti-Sony" slant. Which is fine if you have logical arguments and real, constructive criticisms; but less so if not.

Why ? Because nintendo has a battery life that is decent ? I'm not even talking great as i want more life from it too but its double the battery life of the psp .

That is the battery life that the psp should have had at least .

Being a longtime Gameboy user, the difference probably is very noticeable to you.

err i only became a gameboy user with the gba . I allways had other systems and the battery life allways killed the systems and i would barely use htem.

suggest you purchase a power brick or a third-party, longer-life battery if it bothers you that much.

well the power brick takes away from it being portable and a longer-life battery really don't increase the life much more. I actually haven't even seen an enhanced power battery .

 

[jvd]

The next gen console is pillar 1 , the next gen gb is pillar 2 and the ds is pillar 3 .

The ds will be the low cost portable with the direct upgrade path from the gba systems .

The new gb will be a higher end gaming system most likely in another 2 years .

Do you think we can expect DS compatibility in the new GB? Or not - hence the different "pillars"?

Thank you for replying.

nope , the new gb will not work with any of the other gameboys . That is why there is the ds . Its the upgrade path for the gba users .

 

[Kolgar]

So DS becomes Nintendo's machine at the low end of the market, and GB (or whatever N decides to call it) becomes a high-end machine.

Will the high-end GB do more than just play games? Nintendo's always saying its focus is on "pure" game machines, so this would be a change of direction for them.

Will the high-end GB be targeted at an older audience? Nintendo has some image problems to resolve if it hopes to make significant inroads here.

What happens when, two or three years into the next GB's life, the price drops to $99 or so. Wouldn't this "high-end," non-DS-compatible system then be competing with the low-cost DS family? Suddenly, N would have two incompatible systems cannibalizing sales from each other at the low end, right? Ah, well, perhaps it would be time to retire the venerable cart-based line then, anyway.

 

[Clashman]

dc is outselling psp weekly by at least 2 times the amount of units again .

Well, in fairness, that is only in Japan, and only for the last few weeks. We really have no clue about how DS and PSP are doing, respectively, in the U.S. or in Europe.

 

[jvd]

So DS becomes Nintendo's machine at the low end of the market, and GB (or whatever N decides to call it) becomes a high-end machine.

The gba sp would be entry lvl at like 50$ , the ds would be mainstream at 100-150$ and the new gameboy 2 would be at 250$ .

Will the high-end GB do more than just play games? Nintendo's always saying its focus is on "pure" game machines, so this would be a change of direction for them.

I don't think so . Mabye a type of movie player like the gba already has but most likely as a add on as they like to do that .

Will the high-end GB be targeted at an older audience? Nintendo has some image problems to resolve if it hopes to make significant inroads here.

beats me , i would say it would be like every nintendo products . quality games that apeal to all ages .

What happens when, two or three years into the next GB's life, the price drops to $99 or so. Wouldn't this "high-end," non-DS-compatible system then be competing with the low-cost DS family?

If that happens (which i doubt will happen so quickly ) the gba will be phased out already and the ds will drop acordingly . Perhaps to the 75$ the gba is now while the gb 2 is at the 150$ range .

Then the ds will be phased out.

Ah, well, perhaps it would be time to retire the venerable cart-based line then, anyway.

as i said the ds will drop in price anyway. I doubt a 250$ portable will hit 100$ in the first 3 years . Most likely 150$ as i said above .

That would still put the ds at 5 years old when that happens so figure at its 6th year they can retire it , launch a new high end gaming device and do the same ride again .

 

[Ty]

Err I'm a mod of the handheld forum ?

I assumed you were, if you're not, then I'm wrong about you being a mod of this forum.

Err what is wrong about being upset about battery life which i think is important to a portable console who's only purpose is to provide gaming on the go ?

It's not that you're upset about the battery life (though why you chose the word, 'upset' could be telling) so much that you seem unwilling to understand that your POV is simply that, your POV. As I've said before, obviously there are quite a few people that the battery life is fine for. For you, it's not and I completely understand this. However you are simply incorrect to argue that "Sony is wrong" for making their design choices. Wrong for you, yes. Wrong in general, no. Especially in light of the fact that most here thought the battery life would be far less than what it turned out to be. FWIW, for the "power" of the PSP, I think the battery life is quite decent.

Its funny that i don't see you poping up complaining when i put down the xbox or when i put down other things .

I frankly haven't seen you put down the xbox but I have explained to you why you were wrong about scaling and other things. If you care to, go ahead and link to something you've said about the xbox.

But since I do't like what you like i'm obviously bias .

Funny how I was the first here to talk about the LCD blurring and how different REVs impacted this.

I do like the PSP, I think it's a pretty fine piece of kit. Not for me, at least not yet but the same applies to the DS. I would probably get the DS first mind you, because I think the games for it are most interesting to me at this point. Still, not quite enough for me to invest in though.

Do you honestly think you're aren't biased either pro Nintendo or anti-Sony?

Its sad that this is the excuse from most of you who love the psp when I bring up its battery life .

And if I were to bring up the sub-par graphics and screen of the DS? What would you say then? Would you think I was being unfair?

But its a simple fact that its battery life is poor and its a portable system where to many people being able to play it on trips is important .

The simple fact is that your statement is not fact. It's an opinion. Yes, I agree that battery life IS important for a portable but whether it's poor or not is an individual choice. It's not the best, not by a long shot. But I think 4-6 hours is pretty serviceable.