"2x the power of the GC," can someone clarify what this means? (ERP)

, there will not be DC games on Rev (by now), but eg from N64 games if you do have ~5 then you already filled half of the memory.

 

Statement by Epics mark rein to fuel the flames, but not , he himself said he has not seen final hardware. courtsey Joystiq.com


Heard@GDC: no Unreal Engine 3 on Revolution

Posted Mar 28th 2006 1:00AM by Christopher Grant
Filed under: Nintendo Revolution, First Person Shooters, GDC
During a Q&A session following a demonstration of their new Unreal Engine 3, Epic Games' Mark Rein said, "It won't be easy to take something HD res here to the Revolution," continuing we probably "won't be seeing Unreal Engine 3 on the Revolution."

Although he was clear to say that he has not seen the final hardware for the Revolution, Rein said the existing Unreal Engine 2 would provice more than enough muscle to take full advantage of the Revolution's hardware since it won't require HD resolution.

Naturally, nothing's been announced, so despite the fact this came from Epic's VP, consider it unconfirmed. Any geeks in the house care to pontificate on whether or not UE3 is in fact worth it for Revolution developers?

 

That is a strange thing to say after all why would he talk about HD in Rev? it almost seems that UE3 only worth if it is at HD and IMO from what I already shaw, even at lower rez, it should worth a lot, it may lost a lot of detail of it normal maps and such but even with out them it still does bring us new physics, AI, lightning/shadows, poligon counts, voice control, fx, streaming system etc... all of them very important IMO.

Can you past the source/link so we can dig a bit more.

 

Why would lower resolution impact the use of UE3?

What a strange comment from Rein.

 

Rein's talking silly again, tomorrow he'll probably apologize and say he was drunk

If the only point of the Unreal 3 Engine was High Definition then there would be no point in it at all. It'd just be the Unreal 2 Engine at HDTV resolutions.

 

For some reason, certain people have picked up on HD as a talking point, as though there's something magical about 720x1280 that would cause a rift to open in the universe and demons to eat our souls if the same image were displayed at 640x854 or 640x480. I'm sure it has nothing to do with MS paying them big bucks for Gears of War.

It's especially weird because Unreal Engine 2 was designed for "HD" resolutions. I didn't know anyone who played the UT games at 640x480 on their PCs.

darkblu, I saw tons of jaggies in interlaced mode, especially in the village levels. There was also some severe texture aliasing in the castle. Strangely, when you got to the military base, they seemed to be using some sort of AA. I saw no specularity in the village, but you may be right, it could be that I'm so used to "HEY! LOOK OVER HERE! SPECULARITY!" that I just don't see it. The thing that stood out to me was that the game looked near-perfect, but I couldn't really put my finger on much of anything, unlike games that impress you by punching you in the face with SFX.

 

BTW there is the link


The funniest thing is that he end saying that it is possible tu run UE3 at HD on the Rev (but it is not easy, even if it is indeed very hard it is possible), so if it is possible at HD it should be relative easy to do it at 480 (I am taking this as it will not be easy to have something playable, as this is the only thing that make sense IMO, but fell free to disagre), and this is probably what he wanted to avoid given the final statement (that can now be interpreted as "won't be seeing Unreal Engine 3 on the Revolution [at HD]").

 

you subconsciously discerned the look as realsitic, though nothing stood in your face. that basically is a sign of good work on behalf of presentaion.

btw, you won't find many specularities in the pueblo even if you sought for them - no specular surfaces there (aside from water), and rightfully so, it's a misty fall in a forrest environment, with clouded (diffuse-scattered) sunlight. but it's enogh to make leon put on his kevlar vest to see what i'm talking about. again, nothing in-your-face. also, a place where you can see exaggerated specularities even in this game is the inventory when examining an object, but that's intentional as those objects are meant to stand out outside of any lighting context.

 

great post Liu Mu bai, thanks for explaing to them that a hard drive is not nessacry fo rfaster loadtimes, as it did not help the xbox on load times in comparison to GC.

Unto Mark rein's statement, isn't UE3 scaleable so what do Rev not having HD have anything to do with it?

 

Just forget it until we have Revolution Specs, then we'll know what he could have meant, because the quote is far from being clear...

 

Yeah, but I didn't see many specularities. I didn't say the lighting wasn't brilliant (it's pretty competitive with Half-Life 2 IMHO). I said I didn't see much in the way of specularity. Despite what you say, the jaggies periodically go nuts for the first 2/3 of the game. It has some serious MIP and/or AA issues up until near the end, and I just can't ignore that. Metroid Prime, Prince of Persia, Fight Night 2, Wind Waker, and Rogue Leader are all way smoother than RE4, to name a few. I don't play PC games much anymore; I'm just comparing to other Cube titles. The only other titles I've got with similar aliasing problems are Killer7 (the worst of the bunch) and Soul Calibur II. Like I said, I saw AA in the mil base (and yes, it was a "form" of AA. 8x SSAA is a form of AA. So is 2x MSAA. So's Quincunx. I didn't mean to imply it wasn't "true" AA or something).

 

I'd hate to bring this up so late, but does having the final development kit really make that big of a difference? I remember hearing that the final development kit is usually only a 10-15% increase in power. I'm just wondering if there's any truth to that statement.

 

Dependent on the case, eg in most cases XB360 SDKs are based on G5+X800 which is about 1/3 of the final (acording to them) only very few (eg Rare) got early prototipes, in the case of PS3 IIRC it has 75%.

Plus he is not saying that it will be just analizing the situation that it is know (at least at the time).

And in this case they only got SDKs that resemble final HW little ago,

So yesm it may be the case.

 

True but I new what the final configuration of the Xbox360 hardware was down to memory latencies long before I even saw anm alpha kit.

 

That is what is interesting in this case, once they use expressions like "belived" and such for the GPU/CPU and played a big role in this thread. , althought from Reed Steel it seems that IGN is right , yet one can still hope given the SDKs time frames (and given that we now nothingh from the Rev HW).

Well, hope is the last thing to die...

 

Red Steel was developed with pre-alpha kits (GC) and was just recently moved to Rev's later SDK's, so they could still implement a few more effects before release.

 

If it is a significant updated HW, I hope more than a few, IIRC a few months before the release SW:RSII looked much worst than the final product.

 

Thanks for the info LMB. (BTW I said SW:RSII because it has also a launch title without final HW, althought yours eg may be a better example)

Do you know/think if they will show upgraded engines/games in (near?)final SDKs at E3 (like it seems from IGN sdks report) or still based on GC ones (with a , eventually, "still 1/3 of the power" like coment if needed)?