100GB Hard Drive on the way for the 360?
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DuckThor Evil
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It exists for the perception, but it's not just for that. Core+mem card is ready to go system at a cheaper price. and When MS manages to get costs down a bit more, they can stick it with 199$ price tag, entering into a true mass market price level in the process. They will get there much faster than it's main competitor. I think that's more than just perception...
Jon Brittan
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Store more than you can on the 20GB drive?
With my own ripped CDs on there I'm constantly juggling demos and videos to keep space on the 20GB drive, XBLive Marketplace can eat a 20GB drive easily.
downloadable HD content
Yeah whatever dude.
Can you argue that claim, i.e. can you actually contribute anything to this thread?RancidLunchmeat said:
Do you think the Premium costs Microsoft 100$ or more extra to make, because that's the only way the Premium can generate less profit than the Core?
The Core edition exists so that marketeering people (and people like you) can talk smack about attractive price points. It's called "mindshare".RancidLunchmeat said:
Where, in your first paragraph?RancidLunchmeat said:
It's not working out so easily. Gamers will still want at least a memory card to save their progress.
The Premium would need to be much more expensive for the Core to become a worthwhile purchase, but I'd rather expect the absolute difference between Core and Premium prices to shrink (i.e. the ratio between the prices would stay fairly constant). How much do you think it will cost when the Core hits 179$? Still 100$ more? I'm leaning more towards 50$ more, with an MC available for maybe 20 or 25$. At these (hypothetical) prices I still don't see how buying a Core edition would make sense, and I still don't see how selling a Core edition makes sense.
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DuckThor Evil
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Yes it's true that MS want's people to buy premium instead of the core, but of course they rather want them to buy core than not buy at all, even if the profits go down. Therefore it is in MS interest to also increase the sales of the core unit. It's a tough job to balance those right, so that people desire and are more willing to buy the premium, but at the sametime make the core look decent enough of a deal to not look like a rip off. Obviously MS believes that this strategy will shift/gain more units/profits than single sku strategy.
A large segment of the market is extremely cost-conscious, and buy only when the price drops below a certain threshold. Go do some research into how many PS2s were sold at $129 versus $149 versus $199. This group is not making comparisons of different SKUs; they only look at the absolute price. Don't assume everyone thinks like you.
That would work fine, only thing being now is the over priced memory cards as other have noted. 256mb card for 60 dollars when 100gb is for 100 dollars? They should drop the memory cards, lower the price of the 20gb to the price of the 64mb memory cards, and offer the 100GB @ 100 dollars.
But yeah, like I said, it will be interesting to see how they do the pricing structure of this.
Well, right now they charge $40 for 64MB when 20GB is $100.
DuckThor Evil
Legend
I've heard the "everyone's completely retarded so stop applying logic" argument before and frankly am really getting sick of that. You can end any argument at will with that catch-all big hammer. I could use that, too, you know. It's like bringing up nazis, gay marriage, or claiming that the owner of the Kotaku website eats little babies.
So you're basically saying that the infamous average consumer, despite being "extremely cost-concious" will be too much of a fuckin' moron to compare Core+mem card price to Premium price. You have no precedent to support that claim, because the 360 was the first console with multiple SKUs.
Console buyers (or the magazines and friends that will inform some of the new console buyers) know by now that they need to have at least a memory card, and that they will have to spend extra for it. Maybe you want to show me some statistics on how many PS2 buyers "forgot" the memory card in their initial purchase and had to come again to buy one? Because that would be interesting. Pretending that "a large segment of the market" forgets about elementary school maths while going shopping isn't.
RancidLunchmeat
Veteran
Umm.. that was your claim, not mine.
The Core exists for the sole purpose of existing? That's a wonderfully logical position to have. It doesn't exist to gain marketshare or a price point advantage presently or in the future. It's all a marketing gimmic that exists just so they can claim it exists.
Brilliant.
I don't think that's what he is saying at all. He's saying that most consumers won't buy any console until it drops below a certain price range, and if the Core is below that price range they will buy it, even if there are options that provide more overall value out there.
And I believe there is a degree of precendent to back that up. How many people have you heard complain about bundles, despite the fact that bundles usually offer a better overall value?
And BTW, the average consumer is an F'ing moron. Take a drive through rush hour traffic sometime and tell me if you get home thinking "man, did you see all of those extremely intelligent people on the road?"
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Yeah thats what I mean, they could drop the memory cards as a whole. Drop the 20gb price down to the 64mb memory card price, and offer the 100GB HDD for 100 dollars. Or am I missing something that would mess that system all up?
Are you saying they could/should offer the 20GB Hard Drive for $20 less than the 256MB Memory Card and have both on the shelves at the same time?
Nah I'm saying they could get rid of the memory cards completely, or atleast lower the price of them by a large amount. But I suppose that would make the memory card ports on the 360 useless. Again, I'm not the best @ math.
The accessory pricing system is a little weird to begin with. 