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What is the deal with all the NVIDIA cards above the 4070 being either above MSRP, way above MSRP, or out of stock / only available in ridiculous "combos"? Is this a Christmas thing? I don't think there's another crypto craze going on right?
Next gen is announced/released in two weeks, no-one wants to be caught with obsolete cards in stock when it happens.
 
Next gen is announced/released in two weeks, no-one wants to be caught with obsolete cards in stock when it happens.
I hear you but this isn't how it normally works. Usually it takes a while for old stock to dry up. We still don't know if the 5070/5070Ti will release alongside the 5080/5090.

Until the crytoboom we didn't typically go through months long periods where GPUs were unobtanium. Maybe this will be AMD's big selling point: you can actually buy one. Because nobody else wants to :)
 
But that's true for almost all consecutive generations in PC h/w. There are some parts which provide a solid perf/price gain but en mass you don't get much from the next generation of anything really be it GPUs, CPUs, SSDs, displays, mice, etc. I have no idea where the feeling that GPUs "must" provide more than anything else has came up from. Looking back at my personal upgrade log there were quite a few of them where I've gotten a lot less than what I've got from 3080->4090 upgrade.
30 series MSRPs were very good for the added performance, particularly with RT.

10 series uplift was pretty good as well. 1080ti was probably one of the best bargains ever lol.

Prior to that idk I wasn’t into PC gaming way back when.
 
30 series MSRPs were very good for the added performance, particularly with RT.
Too bad we've basically never saw these MSRPs on the market.

10 series uplift was pretty good as well. 1080ti was probably one of the best bargains ever lol.
10 series was about as average as anything else. 1080Ti was a "refresh" which launched a year after the launch of 10 series at the same price which previously was held by 1080.
 
10 series was about as average as anything else. 1080Ti was a "refresh" which launched a year after the launch of 10 series at the same price which previously was held by 1080.
About as average as what? The 1080 was like 50% faster than the 980 and barely more expensive. Same with 1070 vs 970. There was huge perf/$ gains. I think 3080 -> 4080 was negative value 😂
 
The 1080 was like 50% faster than the 980 and barely more expensive. Same with 1070 vs 970.
You should look at the benchmarks from back then. 1080 was barely faster than 980Ti and had a higher price. 1070 launched at $500 as FE which was certainly a lot more than $380 of 970.

Memory has this weird way of making things from the past way better than they actually were.
 
You should look at the benchmarks from back then. 1080 was barely faster than 980Ti and had a higher price. 1070 launched at $500 as FE which was certainly a lot more than $380 of 970.

Memory has this weird way of making things from the past way better than they actually were.
1080 launched at 600, 980 Ti 650, 1080 FE 700. So only FE 1080 had higher launch price than 980 Ti.
1070 FE launched at 450, not 500, "normal" 1070 launch msrp was 380, just like 970.
 
1080 launched at 600, 980 Ti 650, 1080 FE 700. So only FE 1080 had higher launch price than 980 Ti.
1070 FE launched at 450, not 500, "normal" 1070 launch msrp was 380, just like 970.
FE was the only card available for a month at least. 1070 non FE was 400 not 380 and it was several months prior to such cards appearing in retail.
 
A little trip back to 2 months after launch:
The one real drawback right now is pricing and availability. Now, even 2 months after the launch of the GTX 1080, supplies are still very tight. GTX 1070 is much better, thankfully, but those cards still go rather quickly. The end result is that NVIDIA’s MSRPs have proven unrealistic; if you want a GTX 1080 today, be prepared to spend $699, while GTX 1070 will set you back $429 or more. Clearly these cards are worth the price to some, as NVIDIA and their partners keep selling them, but it puts a damper on things. For now all that NVIDIA can do is keep shipping chips, and hopefully once supply reaches equilibrium with demand, we get the $599/$379 prices NVIDIA original touted.
 
WTF are you guys talking about? By "1080" I meant the GTX 1080. Not the Founder's Edition. The GTX 1080 had an MSRP of $599 and was widely available at that price. Except in the first couple months which is the case with most GPUs. The FE was NVIDIA's way of cashing in on the early demand that in past launches meant new cards would be completely out of stock for weeks or months after launch.
 
WTF are you guys talking about? By "1080" I meant the GTX 1080. Not the Founder's Edition. The GTX 1080 had an MSRP of $599 and was widely available at that price. Except in the first couple months which is the case with most GPUs. The FE was NVIDIA's way of cashing in on the early demand that in past launches meant new cards would be completely out of stock for weeks or months after launch.

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Too bad we've basically never saw these MSRPs on the market.
There was a crypto boom so yes, that basically destroyed all semblance of value.\

10 series was about as average as anything else. 1080Ti was a "refresh" which launched a year after the launch of 10 series at the same price which previously was held by 1080.
I'm not usually a fan of consensus opinion forming but when literally everyone disagrees with you here you might just be wrong lol.

1080ti was good because Nvidia was worried that Vega/Radeon VII might actually be good (it didn't end up being good lol). We will probably not see value like that again while AMD is ceding the high end entirely.
 
Can you imagine Nvidia releasing a 70 class card now that matches/beats the previous 80ti card? 4070 was roughly comparable to the 3080 and was $100 cheaper with 12GB of VRAM.
Can you imagine that transistor-scaling has changed since a decade ago?
And AFAIK the 3070 beats the 2080 Ti in RT 🤷‍♂️
 
Can you imagine that transistor-scaling has changed since a decade ago?
I'm sure it has but I'm also sure Nvidia's margin, even on gaming cards, has increased. It is what it is and ofc I wouldn't blame them, they are effectively competing against themselves solely since Intel and AMD can't make high end cards anymore and struggle to even make competitive midrange products.

And AFAIK the 3070 beats the 2080 Ti in RT 🤷‍♂️
The fact we had to gloss over the entire 40 series and go back to a 2020 card kinda proves my point here doesn't it?
 
I'm sure it has but I'm also sure Nvidia's margin, even on gaming cards, has increased. It is what it is and ofc I wouldn't blame them, they are effectively competing against themselves solely since Intel and AMD can't make high end cards anymore and struggle to even make competitive midrange products.


The fact we had to gloss over the entire 40 series and go back to a 2020 card kinda proves my point here doesn't it?
The 4070 does better that the 3080 Ti at max settings in Indiana Jones, so? 🤷‍♂️
 
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