AMD RDNA4 potential product value

[Dangerman]

I think AMD wants to pitch their 70 class cards Vs Nvidia's 70 class still stuck on 16GB (which I agree with).

 

[trinibwoy]

It looks like we hardware lovers know nothing about the real potential of N48. Too many different rumors.

Those rumors don’t make a lot of sense. Why would AMD launch a new card that’s slower than the 7900XT for $650 when the 7900XT is currently selling for $650.

 

[techuse]

Assuming that performance holds true to large game sample averages, anything more than 400$ is DOA.

 

[DegustatoR]

Assuming that performance holds true to large game sample averages, anything more than 400$ is DOA.

7900GRE/4070S performance is $600 right now so launching 9070XT at this price would be weird - but it may make sense for AMD's margins considering the replacement's features.

$500 would be nice, will force Nvidia to lower 4070S by some $50 probably, and would also put the slower 9070 at about 7700XT price probably which seems like a fine tier upgrade.

Not seeing why anything above $400 would be DOA.

 

[techuse]

7900GRE/4070S performance is $600 right now so launching 9070XT at this price would be weird - but it may make sense for AMD's margins considering the replacement's features.

$500 would be nice, will force Nvidia to lower 4070S by some $50 probably, and would also put the slower 9070 at about 7700XT price probably which seems like a fine tier upgrade.

Not seeing why anything above $400 would be DOA.

They need a bigger cost per frame decrease to compensate for the lack of features and RT performance. A 10-15% faster 7800xt isn't going to attract much sales at all.

 

[trinibwoy]

Assuming that performance holds true to large game sample averages, anything more than 400$ is DOA.

I was gonna say $500 but you may be right.

 

[tunafish]

We don't know what the RT perf will be like. PS5Pro supposedly has the same rt hardware per CU, but it also has no cache and is possibly bandwidth limited on that workload.

 

[arandomguy]

Those rumors don’t make a lot of sense. Why would AMD launch a new card that’s slower than the 7900XT for $650 when the 7900XT is currently selling for $650.

This has been an issue for quite some time now though? If you look back at past AMD launches (even for CPUs) there's always been this issue in that the new launches MSRPs have issue competing against the retail street prices of the outgoing generaiton particulary in certain markets (like the US) that the online discussion tends to revolve around more.

 

[digitalwanderer]

Those rumors don’t make a lot of sense. Why would AMD launch a new card that’s slower than the 7900XT for $650 when the 7900XT is currently selling for $650.

So they can lower the price on the 7900xt to clear inventory for the new stuff? Seems like it happens every release, the last gen cards get cheaper. I know they've been dropping prices in anticipation of the launch but the steep discounts on older cards always comes after the new launch.

I'm still in the "<$400 or FU" crowd but that's me thinking on how they'd justify/get away with charging $650.

 

[trinibwoy]

So they can lower the price on the 7900xt to clear inventory for the new stuff? Seems like it happens every release, the last gen cards get cheaper. I know they've been dropping prices in anticipation of the launch but the steep discounts on older cards always comes after the new launch.

I'm still in the "<$400 or FU" crowd but that's me thinking on how they'd justify/get away with charging $650.

Well in the past the old stuff got discounted near the launch of the new stuff to clear inventory etc which is to be expected. My understanding is that the 7900xt has been discounted for a long time now. So it’s even more of a sideways move.

My money is on $500 max if they’re serious about gaining market share. Any higher and AMD must think Nvidia is also going to stagnate.

Edit: Just looked up 4070 super prices and it’s hovering at $600-650. There’s no way AMD is going to price match that with only a 10% performance uplift. So either the leaked performance is wrong or the leaked price is wrong. Or both!

 

[arandomguy]

Well in the past the old stuff got discounted near the launch of the new stuff to clear inventory etc which is to be expected. My understanding is that the 7900xt has been discounted for a long time now. So it’s even more of a sideways move.

AMD's always had that issue. Their retail just fluctuate way more and drop compared to Nvidia throughout the product lifespan in certain markets such as US/Canada and Western Europe.

The I've always suspected is it's because Nvidia simply has way more volume via larger supply contracts to OEMs and SIs, this makes their inventory and prices less volatile especially to the retail market. They can plan supply and wind down around those contracts. While AMD's volume is much more retail dependent and therefore demand and price volatile.

Edit: Just looked up 4070 super prices and it’s hovering at $600-650. There’s no way AMD is going to price match that with only a 10% performance uplift. So either the leaked performance is wrong or the leaked price is wrong. Or both!

But VRAM?

 

[trinibwoy]

But VRAM?

Won’t work. Contrary to all of the online hysteria and YouTube talking heads complaining about inadequate VRAM the buying public doesn’t seem to care. Extra VRAM definitely doesn’t help if the card is slower.

 

[IQandHDR]

The node and transistor-prices might also have some influence on how low AMD can go.
Or perhaps they will eat margins, like Intel, in an atempt to try and gain marketshare.
Many factors can affect the MSRP.

 

[el etro]

Those rumors don’t make a lot of sense. Why would AMD launch a new card that’s slower than the 7900XT for $650 when the 7900XT is currently selling for $650.

Nothing makes sense. N3 Maybe?