I can sell you one just 1000 USD, chuck in another 500 for shipping and we got a deal.
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But is the RT for the gamers or for the developers? I mean the holy grail was touted as being devs not having to light the game just stick in light sources and magically things would look great and cutting the art cost by a factor of "a lot".
Day night cycles.
Destructible terrain and more dynamic lighting options
reflections, and better shadows
Better indoor outdoor cohension.
There's a huge laundry list of things that RT does for us. But sometimes these details are missed because they are focused on winning at the game than taking teh time to seeing the detail around them.
We have a lot of irrational buying habits in the market. I wish we were more rational so companies would reduce their prices
I really think RT helped the Spider man games. You feel much more "in" the world with those reflections.
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Where in Europe ? In Poland its 3499pln and thats 801,53 euro in today exchange
Probably not. Global illumination is the most transformative use of RT lighting but most cutting edge games have decent non-RT fallbacks. Stuff like RTXDI is pretty impactful too but that requires games to be built with lots of lights in mind which they aren’t due to raster limitations.
Games are still raster first with RT tacked on.
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I'd say not. They still look computer-gamey. Games that don't look computer-gamey like Bodycam do so with photogrammetry and you can get the same results with baked lighting.
Things where RT would be transformative aren't mostly those. It'd improve visuals, but not transform the experience. If you have to stop and look for RT's impact, I'd say that's not transformative.
I'd say RT audio would be transformative if it could really place you and other entities accurately. That's something that could be fundamentally different to what it has been.
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Metro Exodus on consoles looks mediocre and Witcher 3 Definitive Edition just old, not best examples.
The wow effect was bigger in offline rendering because raytracing/pathtracing arrived at the same moment with PBR. We had the PBR moment during the PS4 generation.
It will be good enough when we will have some full micropolygon stuff, with great technology like strand hair combined with raytracing/pathtracing at 60 fps and good IQ quality for midrange PC/consoles.
Matrix Awakens with micropolygon for character, better hair technology and RT shadows, RT AO, RT reflections, better RT lightining for all type of light directional too and no BVH simplified geometry at 1440p and 60 fps with ML upscaling wil be good enough.
It will be good enough when we will have some full micropolygon stuff, with great technology like strand hair combined with raytracing/pathtracing at 60 fps and good IQ quality for midrange PC/consoles.
Matrix Awakens with micropolygon for character, better hair technology and RT shadows, RT AO, RT reflections, better RT lightining for all type of light directional too and no BVH simplified geometry at 1440p and 60 fps with ML upscaling wil be good enough.
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I think design wise, user generated content/dynamic events where you can't bake lighting, could be a major factor in the future. But you're right you're just looking at increasing immersion well beyond what we have now, but once you get to light simulation, and away from light curation, scenarios or designs that game developers would previously just disallow to ensure their games don't break due to lighting, becomes a place to play in.
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yeah but if they are still looks underwhelming comparing to many others titles without rt than its not transformative for me
True, cyberpunk with maxed ray tracing that is transformative but its very resource heavy.
This doesn't make sense. Why would you judge the value of ray tracing based on the differences between one game with it on and another game without it that potentially has an entirely different art style/budget/level of developer talent behind it. The comparison point should always be the same game with RT on and off to equalise all other factors. This is true of any scientific comparison. You always isolate as many factors as possible except that which you are trying to compare.
And besides that, if we actually look at the games that use RT out there, be it HWRT or software based (including Lumen). What game, let alone "many other titles" make the likes of the following look "underwhelming"?
Black Myth Wu Kong
Hellblade 2
Alan Wake 2
CyberPunk 2077
Avatar
Star Wars Outlaws
etc...
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On consoles ? Only Hellbalde 2 and Avatar looks good from this list but dont understand why it has any connection with facts that rt in Metro Exodus and Witcher 3 on consoles didnt make transformative change. Btw we are far from topic now on ps5 pro
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