Xbox Series... M?

continuing with the info of the Xbox Direction thread, I've read from someone I trust who subsequently learnt from someone who predicted lots of things that became reality regarding MS stuff, that....

MS will leave Series production. There is talk that the announcement could be accompanied by a new hardware presentation, which we all obviously intuit will be a handheld with basic specifications from which to make games on Windows.

Rather than no competition at all with Sony and Nintendo, allegedly what Microsoft wants is an open system with many manufacturers with minimal specifications, a mix between the consoles we know today and the PC market.
 
Cyan said:
continuing with the info of the Xbox Direction thread, I've read from someone I trust who subsequently learnt from someone who predicted lots of things that became reality regarding MS stuff, that....

MS will leave Series production. There is talk that the announcement could be accompanied by a new hardware presentation, which we all obviously intuit will be a handheld with basic specifications from which to make games on Windows.

Rather than no competition at all with Sony and Nintendo, allegedly what Microsoft wants is an open system with many manufacturers with minimal specifications, a mix between the consoles we know today and the PC market.
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Even if that would be an interesting concept (and something that's probably going to happen at this point, even DF talk about it regularly), it wouldn't really be competition. Here's a PS6 like Xbox with similar specs at 200€/$ more! It would get a tenth of the sales of the competition. Microsoft doesn't like losing money on hardware anymore, that's pretty clear, but this strategy would just lead to lower losses instead of higher market share.

And with how much money they are losing on series s (which I don't really understand, those specs should be pretty cheap to manufacture at maybe a small loss for Microsoft), a series m would be really expensive. Like 600$ expensive.
 
Keep this thread discussing the handheld possibilities, and broader MS business plans in the other thread.
 
Based on sources from my ass(ets),

The Xbox portable SOC will be used in Surface, OEM laptop / handhelds. All of them will run the same OS with differences in terms of UX and OS openness. The OS on the Xbox handheld will not allow easy installation outside of stores. Xbox sells the SOC to OEMS for breakeven costs. Xbox should be the cheapest base handheld.

OEM devices:

have different form factors
better screens, OLED, bigger, HDR
more and faster ram
faster clocks
fully enabled GPU
bigger and faster SSDs
extra inputs
extra ports
haptics
more open OS

For example, Xbox handheld specs:

1080p120hz 7" LCD with VRR
3.5ghz CPU, 2.0 ghz GPU with 10 active WGP
no backbuttons
24GB of LPDDR6 14.4 Gbps. 256bit bus
1TB SSD
1 usb-c port
1 SD card slot
$399

Lenovo Legion Go Fast specs:

1440p120hz 8" OLED with VRR, HDR
4ghz CPU, 2.5 ghz GPU with 11 active WGP
2 x back buttons
Hall Effect joysticks
32GB of LPDDR6 16 Gbps. 256bit bus
2TB SSD
2 usb-c port
1 SD card slot
less restricted windows os.
$999
 
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Cyan said:
www.wired.com

Only Microsoft Can Save Windows-Powered Handheld Game Consoles

The dream of running all your Steam, Epic, and GOG games in one place will continue to be a nightmare until Microsoft steps up.
www.wired.com www.wired.com
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Google still benefits from its services running on competitors' devices, so either way, Google comes out on top. A similar strategy could work for an Xbox handheld built on a platform of work that Microsoft shares with third parties.
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The problem here is that the defacto service for PC gaming is Steam. Unless Microsoft forces their store and Game Pass on these devices there is no incentive to use it over Steam or even any number of other alternatives, they'd be way down the priority list. As it currently stands the more Microsoft invests into Windows gaming it could just be a situaton in which it just benefits Valve/Steam who stays on top.

The economics would be completely different if they could actually take revenue per PC game sale from a handheld. Windows not only for free (with more developement for gaming) but they could even rebate the OEMs to lower hardware prices and make it up on the back end.
 
www.purexbox.com

Rumour: Xbox May Be Gearing Up To Reveal Handheld Device In 2025

"A little birdie has told me..."
www.purexbox.com www.purexbox.com

We don't know about you, but ever since an Xbox handheld was first rumoured, we've been extremely excited about the idea! Let's hope this new rumour is true, then, as apparently it could be getting a reveal in 2025.

This is according to Windows Central editor Jez Corden, who said the following on the Xbox Two podcast:

"A little birdie has told me that you might see genuinely new hardware next year, maybe, of some form, for Xbox."

"I don't think you're going to see hardware at The Game Awards [2024], but I do think next year is a good year for revealing new hardware... especially hardware you can hold in the palm of your hand."
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I further refined my previous concept.

Xbox Mobile: In the form of a controller! It is only slightly larger than the current Xbox controller. The screen is hidden by default and can be slid upwards towards the controller. If the size of the screen is 16x9 cm, it is possible to make the entire console barely wider than this. The processor is in the removable box on the back, which allows this processing box unit to fit into the dock. In this way, you can also play on TV, in which case the hand-held Xbox has the role of a simple controller with the screen closed.

Xbox Power: an external powerful VGA that can be purchased separately, which can be attached to the back of the dock that comes with the mobile Xbox.
 
Launching as close to Switch 2 as possible would be the best move.

What power level might we expect with a $499 2025 Xboy?

I doubt it will reach Series S level but I don't think that will matter with Switch 2 versions of most games.
 
LiveGamer said:
Launching as close to Switch 2 as possible would be the best move.

What power level might we expect with a $499 2025 Xboy?

I doubt it will reach Series S level but I don't think that will matter with Switch 2 versions of most games.
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Zen5
24GB LPDDR6
6TFlops (12 TFlops dual issue) GPU

Way better than Series S.
 
QPlayer said:
Zen5
24GB LPDDR6
6TFlops (12 TFlops dual issue) GPU

Way better than Series S.
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Microsoft doesn't want to lose money on hardware anymore, and Sony does too (at least on high end or pro consoles).

Can they make such a beast of a portable and sell it at cost?
 
Charlietus said:
Microsoft doesn't want to lose money on hardware anymore, and Sony does too (at least on high end or pro consoles).

Can they make such a beast of a portable and sell it at cost?
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We cannot know for sure what strategy they will choose, but if they want to bring a successful console to the market that many people will buy, they can sell it for as much as the production costs are still covered. I think $500 can fit the above spec.

Remember that current PC handheld consoles are extremely overpriced due to limited production and OEM strategy.
 
The Legion Go is equivalent to that, with slower cheaper memory, at sub 900$.
In my opinion:
- if it's not in the impulsive buy price range, it will appeal only to tech savvy buyers, with enough money and knowledge to prefer an open platform
- if it's cheap enough to be brought by grandmas at christmas, it will have hardware inferior to SS, and will compete with switch 2
- if they make it a keystone portable like, it'll be very niche to market, and basically only to gamepass owner

The best option is to sell the entire division and spend all the money on fast cars and women.
 
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