LAIR Thread - * Rules: post #469

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At the risk of further escalating the conflict, I just want to say that at that low of an angle, it would seem that LAIR's bumping looks better than Kameos. Of course, this is a promo shot that may not be reflective of in-game gameplay.
 
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North American version of Lair has completed its development and is now in manufacturing! That means that we are on track for our August 14 release date. It goes without saying that we’re eager to get this out to those of you that have been waiting so patiently (or not!) for it to arrive. Considering the new PS3 price and now Lair, hopefully there’s even more of a reason to scoop up a PS3 if you haven’t already!
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http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/25/lair-dev-is-complete-aug-14-release-set/
 
scooby_dooby said:
Chef simply replied to Shifty's claim of the best mapping ever. I actually thought the exact same thing when I read the post, i.e. "I saw stuff that good in Kameo", but didn't bother to post it.
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Kameo was a long time ago and I never saw more than the most common screenshots at the time, so missed the impact of the better parallax - credit where credit's due, Kameo had some stellar parallax mapping too! ;)

However, regards cobbled walkways, Lair has something looking pretty much perfect in that screenshot, which is a first for me. Invariably stones are way too large in games. Not only have they nailed the displacement technology down pat, but the artistry is top-rate too.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Credit where credit's due, pic three there has the best parallax mapping ever (assuming it is, and isn't just modelled for the cut-scene. Any way of knowing?). The ground looks superb. It'll probably look very awkward when people are walking on it as though it's flat, but it looks excellent.
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It looks like they don't flatten the parallax at sharp angles to rid of the swimming artifacts like most implementations do. You get a better feeling of depth, but there will be areas where it looks weird, especially in motion. Grooves that run horizontal wrt the camera are not well defined, and I think I see the characteristic "doubling".

It's a dark floor, though, so it's hard to tell. There's a good chance that it's the best compromise for this situation.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Kameo was a long time ago and I never saw more than the most common screenshots at the time, so missed the impact of the better parallax - credit where credit's due, Kameo had some stellar parallax mapping too! ;)

However, regards cobbled walkways, Lair has something looking pretty much perfect in that screenshot, which is a first for me. Invariably stones are way too large in games. Not only have they nailed the displacement technology down pat, but the artistry is top-rate too.
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Just wanted to keep things in perspective Shifty. ;)

I give credit where it's due, and yes that PM looked very nice in SS3, but I wouldn't go calling it "the best hands down" as others have had it done very well before too... Even if you didn't get to spend quality time "observing". :p

This title certainly seems to have come a long way. I'm curious to see some gameplay footage.
 
http://www.psu.com/LAIR-Hands-On--Dont-Get-Burned-Preview--a757-p0.php

It’s hard to keep focus on Lair’s gameplay, just like Ratchet and Clank: TOD, because Lair is simply breathtaking in visuals. The draw distance is stupendous, and the enormous maps are rendered down to the last detail thanks to texture streaming. The dynamic texture meshing, aside from linear texture meshing, is a feat only possible on the PlayStation 3 console and no other. Thanks to the sheer power of the SPU’s, L.A.I.R. is the first game to use dynamic texture streaming. On a more perfect note, Lair pulled it all off without a single hiccup in frame rate, making for plenty of smooth flight. And as you can imagine for a game featuring so much fire, the effects of everything from particle to fire, were some of the best we’ve seen from any game before, and any game soon to come aside from KillZone 2. PSU will have a full review of LAIR this coming August.
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Note the bolded part.
If this is true.... well, I really don't know what to say
I was fully expecting frame drops at some times where the screen is really intense.
 
Do they mention what framerate isn't getting hiccups? The Lair vids I've seen have tended to be low framerate, especially with lots going on. Maybe they locked it down to a consistent 15fps with no hiccups? :D
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Do they mention what framerate isn't getting hiccups? The Lair vids I've seen have tended to be low framerate, especially with lots going on. Maybe they locked it down to a consistent 15fps with no hiccups? :D
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Well, according to your theory, it could be locked down to 1fps with no hiccups :LOL:
 
http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=486

Incredible 1080p Graphics: With amazing 30-frames-per-second high-definition visuals, Lair is one of the first 1080p native resolution games, offering jaw-dropping, lifelike graphics.
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First, ignore all the superlatives above. I think F5 would work their *ss off to support 30fps (or more) since it's a flight game.
I am more wary about "native" 1080p :) ... but we shall see !

I also think the audio may steal the show.

True 7.1 Surround Sound: Uncompressed 7.1 surround sound immerses users into the game as they experience the cries of battle, the roar of dragons, the crackle of fire and flame, and the intensity of all-out war.

Immersive Orchestral Score: Acclaimed feature-film composer John Debney (Sin City, The Passion of the Christ) drives the storyline and gameplay with a sweeping, emotive score.
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I posted a preview from Gamespot saying the same thing a few pages back, but it was debunked by woundingchaney :

woundingchaney said:
Well they arent on the money there. Lair looks to be a title that may have come off a little raw. The cinematic presentation was great but when moving into gameplay it became somewhat dull and repetitive. Outside of the scope of the title nothing comes off as impressive. Large empty environments with repetitive enemy engagements only to move to a city-esque landscape with very poor draw distance (the bridge sequence was very poor with poor AI and extremely similar character builds). Framerate issues did pop up throughout the gameplay. The fire effects whiel impressive are not the industries best. Reasonably impressive builds throughout the title are hampered by what looked to be poor shader and texture work. The media (screenshots, trailers) of this title is definitely not a good reference to gameplay that was on the floor.
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"Nerve-Damage" said:
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rounin said:
I posted a preview from Gamespot saying the same thing a few pages back, but it was debunked by woundingchaney :
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There are probably two or more Lair demos being shown/hands-on and most likely each from different builds.
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That sounds strange since Woundingchaney was at E3'07. I would think it is more about a different level/zone ( high up in the air fights vs land fights?) that runs better.
 
I am thinking the same, English is enough for me and It'll be nice to finally have a game I wan't to purchase again. :D
 
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