You don't own an XBox360. Why?

You don't own an XBox360. Why?

  • I'm just not interested in this console.

    Votes: 20 20.6%
  • I don't think this is a reliable system / RROD.

    Votes: 20 20.6%
  • I can play most of its exclusives on my PC.

    Votes: 30 30.9%
  • The only thing I want from Microsoft is them to improve Windows.

    Votes: 8 8.2%
  • Other.

    Votes: 19 19.6%

  • Total voters
    97
Yeah, the 360 supports Guest accounts sometimes/most of the time? for multiplayer games. A second player would then show up as a variation of the main player name (e.g. with -01 and -02 added), I think. Do I remember this right?

On the 360 you can create multiple offline and/or silver accounts as well. So I think that in the case of an off-line campaign mode, it's not as big a problem as it may seem - I think you can still for instance create a separate account for someone who plays through Gears of War 2 on the 360. It may even post his highscores online. He just can't play any online matches using that account.

Right? (*looks at the more hardcore 360 players in the room for confirmation)

Yes, you can create multiple offline & Live Silver Accounts. These can do eveything but play online & can have their own saves, etc. However, I do not think Live Silver accounts will post their Hi-Scores. They have to have a Gold account for the Hi Scores to be posted. Although Live Gold members can have guests play online with them (ex: GamerTag (guest)), the number of games that support this are not that many.

Tommy McClain
 
Yes, you can create multiple offline & Live Silver Accounts. These can do eveything but play online & can have their own saves, etc. However, I do not think Live Silver accounts will post their Hi-Scores. They have to have a Gold account for the Hi Scores to be posted. Although Live Gold members can have guests play online with them (ex: GamerTag (guest)), the number of games that support this are not that many.

Tommy McClain

It's a subset of the games with splitscreen, right?
 
Also Every 360 for the last 2 years at least has had HDMI, and even my old non-hdmi one has 1080p games. Probably just as many as the PS3 has, I haven't looked lately. Doesn't actually seem to make that much of a visual difference.
X360 has FIVE native 1080p games. PS3 has 29 native 1080p games and a lot more between 1280x1080 and 1600x1080.


The PS3 exclusive devs have done some impressive things, but in the long run, I'm not so sure it's better. Heavenly sword looked amazing, but it was a pretty crap game.
The reviews don't reflect your opinion. Take a look at Metacritic.

Well, I'd say you'd have to get a 360 then, since we have more JRPGs, significant Japanese 3rd party support. the best FPS games (if sales numbers are anything to go by) and some amazing exclusive games like FM3, Alan Wake, Fable 2 and Kameo (one of the most underrated games this generation, I feel. amazing graphics, fun gameplay and it was a launch game)
No, they aren't anything to go by. Sales don't indicate best games. The review scores, however, do (even though it's subjective).

BTW, how do you know FM3 and Alan Wake will be amazing exclusives? That's kind of like me saying that Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, MAG, Ratchet&Clank:ACiT, GT5, GoW3, The Last Guardian, MLB 10:The Show, Fat Princess, etc will be amazing exclusives. I don't know that. I might be able to comment on Uncharted 2 and GT5 due to playing the MP and having GT5:p, respectively. However, that would be all. Anything else is speculation or trying your hand at manifest destiny.

In the end, which is going to sell more, the high end expensive Marantz AV processor, or the Denon that's half the price, but has more features and sound good enough that only a few people in the world could tell the difference?
If the Marantz comes with a great speaker setup that would cost you less than the price of that Denon and a similar set of speakers, the Marantz would be the more logical buy (especially if Denon is charging you every year on top of everything else to play music with friends). ;)
 
I had a 360, but mine died after a year. fortunately costco took it back and I replaced it with a PS3. My biggest beef (other than the console failing) was that its too loud. Another issue is that I only want one console, and since 360 exclusives come over to PS3 eventually, (but not the other way around) I picked PS3. The BD player and wifi is also a nice bonus.
 
Yes, you can create multiple offline & Live Silver Accounts. These can do eveything but play online & can have their own saves, etc. However, I do not think Live Silver accounts will post their Hi-Scores. They have to have a Gold account for the Hi Scores to be posted. Although Live Gold members can have guests play online with them (ex: GamerTag (guest)), the number of games that support this are not that many.

Tommy McClain

Thanks, I thought so. Though I think Silver members do post their high scores ... there's some mention of it here and there on the web. I'm definitely certain they track achievements and gamerscore, so it would be weird if they don't post high scores.
 
I bought a HDTV in october 2007. Before then I wasn't even thinking about HD consoles. Then my HDTV was useless without an HD source (HD cable doesn't even count) so I bought the PS3 over the 360 mainly because of blu-ray. Can't understand some of the software decisions taken on the PS3 and I believe it could have been a lot better, but I've stuck with my choice. I used to play uncharted and burnout paradise, which were excellent examples of HD gaming and I was happy. Back then I was also new into Blu-ray and watching many movies on my PS3.

I have seriously considered buying the 360 and the reason I won't be buying it is the cost/benefit analysis. I couldn't care less about Halo or Gears and I wouldn't even buy them, I'd be buying a 360 for RPG's that PS3 is terribly lacking such as Mass Effect, Too Human, and some JRPGs. And while I really like this genre, I've really stuck it out with the PS3 hoping that they'll come. I'd also like to be able to play coop multiplayer, and install the games on my hard drive since the DVD is extremely loud on the 360, so the cost of 360 would be pushing $400 for me.

Just as importantly is that I'd like my online "profile" unified and in one place. I would like all my trophies and records of all the games I've played in one place. I hope for the next gen, everyone will use a web service that's common so if you've had so many trophies in the PS3 version, you could buy the 360 version and the trophies would still be there in the form of achievements.

Multiplatform games where the 360 is better isn't really a big deal, since all the "good" multiplats seem to be close to equal (COD4, GTA4, etc.). For others like HAWX for example, being able to play with my $30 thrustmaster joystick, which is also PC compatible, is more important than better AA.

As a side note, I don't know why Blizzard isn't bringing Diablo 2 to PSN and XBL, they could make a killing, if priced right around $15 or less. Also, at least with the 360, porting should be just a matter of mapping controls to the gamepad, and rendering at 1080p. I've been playing Sacred 2 lately, but it just doesn't have the heart and soul of Diablo 2, or even Titan Quest. To quote Jeremy Clarkson, it's like a Steven Segal movie where the action is there but it just doesn't feel first-rate.
 
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Another issue is that I only want one console, and since 360 exclusives come over to PS3 eventually, (but not the other way around) I picked PS3.

You mean like Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Tekken, the new MGS game, Virtua Fighter, Star Ocean... I don't think you'll see first party exlusives going either way and there is plenty of them on both consoles.
 
Thanks, I thought so. Though I think Silver members do post their high scores ... there's some mention of it here and there on the web. I'm definitely certain they track achievements and gamerscore, so it would be weird if they don't post high scores.

Well, I must be thinking of XNA/Community Games. They don't support real leaderboards like XBLA games. They have to use peer-to-peer networking to implement global high scores, which requires a Gold account.

Tommy McClain
 
My main beef about the multiple accounts is that the free system (PS3) is incredibly flexiable, allows us all to have our own online stats (etc) with no clashes or problems.

Yet the paid for service is a pain in the backside, I would need my sons firends on my account and when he's playing co-op online how would that work? I guess he'd have a save on my profile?

The problem is (IMHO) that surely only one person can use live at a time, so why isn't the account hardware linked? I guess it's the same reason the newer X360s don't have inbuilt wifi ;)

Either way I just re-bought an X360 for exclusive offline games! lol

Not looking forward to reclaiming my account tho...I bet it's a pain in the backside...
 
You mean like Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Tekken, the new MGS game, Virtua Fighter, Star Ocean... I don't think you'll see first party exlusives going either way and there is plenty of them on both consoles.
Actually, NG2 was posted by MS as a 1st party title. The upgraded version should be released this year on the PS3. The other titles you mentioned are quite correct. Of course, there is still a Final Fantasy PS3 exclusive or two coming, so would it still be considered as the "Final Fantasy" series has gone over to the X360? I wouldn't know how to classify that or if it should be attempted. :LOL: Plus, I have no idea about the MGS series. Is it the series or just one spin off game?
 
NG2 first party? I didn't know Team Ninja were owned by MS. ;)

I always thought...

1st party - Studio owned by console maker. Rare for example.
2nd party - Studio not owned by console maker but makes games exclusively for that console and NO others. Bungee now for example.
3rd party - Studio that makes games for multiple consoles although it may release an exclusive here on one or another. Team Ninja.

Regards,
SB
 
As for ergonomics: maybe my hands are crippled after being a PlayStation user for the past 12 years, but I do find it 'perfect'. Maybe my hands fit the size better. Strangely, the first PS controller with sticks that came out during the PlayStation days was a bit larger. I have no idea why they made the little arms smaller again.

There's one more thing that annoys me about the X360 controller: I absolutely can't stand the asymmetrical placing of the analog thumb sticks. I get that some find it more confortable like this, but I'd much rather have them in the same position on both sides. It just feels so much better playing first person shooters (IMO).
This does seem to be a very common issue. People are used to the controller they've "grown up with". I suspect that's one of the main reasons Sony had to ditch the boomerang. Personally, I really love the ergonomics of the 360 controller, and the way they added the Chatpad was genius. The PS3 chatpad seems a little forced, hanging off the top like that. Since I never owned a console before the 360, I never got used to the analog sticks being in the same plane. (Actually, I lie. I owned an Intellivision, the 360 controller is a big step up from this)
I'm amused you feel the Sony stick is better for FPS games, considering the XBox brand is considered the king of console FPS games :) Me, I'm not really a FPS kind of person. I used to get creamed in Quake at university, and I couldn't even get past the first level of Halo 3... on easy... I'm that bad.
Point taken and I agree. However, I am (fortunately) not one of those and inform myself well. There are others too that do the math, even some game stores (always depends in whos favour their selling though), but for the most part and as the selling curves show, most probably aren't.

The other thing about those games (Bioshock, Oblivion, Gears of War)... they might be great games, but for some odd reason, they just don't appeal to me as much as say MGS or other games do.
Well, I didn't like Bioshock either, and I only liked Gears because it was just so beautifully rendered. I played it through just to watch it. (some of these games need "movie mode" where you just watch a playthrough like a movie :)) The Ad for gears (this one) was brilliant and sold the game for me.

But to each his own. My all time favourite games on the platform are Kameo, Mass Effect, Oblivion, Fable and Fable 2, and Jade Empire (which isn't technically a 360 game, it's for the original XBox, but runs beautifully). All of which, except for oblivion, are exclusive. Runners up would be Assassin's creed and Mirror's Edge (Again the ad sold it) both of which are almost identical on the two platforms.
From what I've seen on the PS3, it's sorely lacking in the types of games I play (RPGs, both western and japanese), and the ones it does have are also on the 360. For me, games are about story, not about frustrating gameplay. I tend to give up on a game if it gets frustrating, and I play on the easiest settings whenever possible :)
That's a good point, and any audiophile's choice would be clear on that front. Perhaps as clear as I probably am with my preferences. It's also not a question of me being unaware of some of the X360's capabilities either - I've used one before, I read alot about it and I have friends who own one. It's just that in the areas that are subjective to most (content, appearance, marketing behind it, to a degree technology), I guess I'm clearly on the fence of the PS3 camp. I just like the way they do things better.

Then there's the geek in me, that likes the content they've [Sony] packed in: Bluray, harddrive, Cell. Even if the advantages can be argued to it being a mear potential (maybe even a wasted one) since it's down to how developers use it, the geek in me still finds it great.
I'm with you there. The tech in the PS3 is pretty awesome, although as an ex member of the HD DVD effort, I'm still sulking at bluray ;)
But it's not snazzy tech that makes a console, it's developer support.. ie.. games. And, unfortunately, the snazzier the tech, in general, the harder it is to work with. The 360 has it's share of snazzy tech too. The GPU is pretty awesome, and the tesselation engine is nice too, but again, no one uses it much yet. Some of the hardware and software security design, which I'm not allowed to talk about, is also pretty amazing, and it's a dream to develop on. The amount of control you have is insane. (Try Windows Mobile if you want painful development...)

Also, I haven't managed to get two audiophiles to ever agree on anything. Some of them still insist they can tell the difference between uncompressed PCM and lossless compression even after double blind tests show they really can't. Some of them believe that copying an audio file from one computer to another one changes the audio, despite binary comparisons proving them wrong. So I tend to take anything they say about the quality of audio equipment with a grain of salt. I mean, these are people that believe tube amps are the holy grail. Random added white noise for the win.
 
X360 has FIVE native 1080p games. PS3 has 29 native 1080p games and a lot more between 1280x1080 and 1600x1080.
Wow, neat. Still couldn't really tell the difference though. I'd prefer if they rendered at 720P and used the extra overhead for better effects, or MSAA.
The reviews don't reflect your opinion. Take a look at Metacritic.
I did, 79. Compared to games like Guitar hero: metallica at 88, and Mass Effect at 91. I'm betting it is a fun game, but it didn't live up to the hype Sony was pushing before it launched.
No, they aren't anything to go by. Sales don't indicate best games. The review scores, however, do (even though it's subjective).
Ok, Review scores then. The first PS3 FPS to appear is Killzone 2 with a 91 Metacritic score. (Not counting multiplat titles, since they tend to get the same scores) There are 3 XBox exclusive FPS games above it. Of the top 50 games in general at metacritic (on PS3 and 360) 35 of them are for the 360, and only 15 for the PS3.
BTW, how do you know FM3 and Alan Wake will be amazing exclusives? That's kind of like me saying that Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, MAG, Ratchet&Clank:ACiT, GT5, GoW3, The Last Guardian, MLB 10:The Show, Fat Princess, etc will be amazing exclusives. I don't know that. I might be able to comment on Uncharted 2 and GT5 due to playing the MP and having GT5:p, respectively. However, that would be all. Anything else is speculation or trying your hand at manifest destiny.
Sure, they might not be amazing, Too Human certainly did not live up to it's hype, or Lair. But considering Forza 2 is the highest ranked driving game at metacritic, and what they've shown of 3, it's a pretty safe bet. Alan Wake is a bit more of an unknown.
If the Marantz comes with a great speaker setup that would cost you less than the price of that Denon and a similar set of speakers, the Marantz would be the more logical buy (especially if Denon is charging you every year on top of everything else to play music with friends). ;)
But what if you already have speakers and the Marantz doesn't come with the option of not including them? And I already pay monthly for my music, it's called Sirius Satellite Radio. I pay monthly for my TV too, It's called digital Cable.

Sure, I could use normal radio and Hulu, but seriously they can't compare to the the full service that I pay for.

(and I think I may have stretched that analogy to the breaking point ;))
 
This does seem to be a very common issue. People are used to the controller they've "grown up with". I suspect that's one of the main reasons Sony had to ditch the boomerang. Personally, I really love the ergonomics of the 360 controller, and the way they added the Chatpad was genius. The PS3 chatpad seems a little forced, hanging off the top like that. Since I never owned a console before the 360, I never got used to the analog sticks being in the same plane.

As someone who actually owns and uses both the 360 chatpad and the PS3 one I'll say the following: the PS3 one is slightly harder to use (and no backlit keys is just bad design and the touchpad is at best a 'gee whiz' feature) but at least it doesn't get in the way of your fingers the way the 360 chatpad does. Normally my fingers curl around the bottom of the controller, but the chatpad blocks that.
 
I agree with that ... like the position, but don't like that I can't see shit when I'm playing in low light conditions. I'll probably get a tiny led clip-on thingy for it, but it should have been in there. And that pointing thing is a bit too tricky too use now. You need to keep your finger on one of the keys at all times for it to work properly. If you lift your finger it starts jittering around, probably because it tries to interpolate between surfaces you touch on different keys. It should just stop trying to do that or stop relaying to the pointer until a steady location has been found. If you always keep your finger down it's better, but the problem is of course if you reach the edge of the keypad before you reach the location you want to point at and you relocate - the jittering then makes your next move unpredictable, which sucks. It may be an easy fix. Would be nice to have someone quiz someone at Sony about this. ;)
 
As someone who actually owns and uses both the 360 chatpad and the PS3 one I'll say the following: the PS3 one is slightly harder to use (and no backlit keys is just bad design and the touchpad is at best a 'gee whiz' feature) but at least it doesn't get in the way of your fingers the way the 360 chatpad does. Normally my fingers curl around the bottom of the controller, but the chatpad blocks that.
My main controller has the chatpad on it, and I've never had a problem with it blocking my fingers. Maybe I just hold the controller differently to other people, which could be why I can't hold a PS3 controller without it squirting out of my hands either.
 
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