dukmahsik said:
It's internally rendered at a lower resolution because it's a rushed game, and they probably got a bit of performance back from using that res.
Xbox360, so where the hell is the AA?
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It's internally rendered at a lower resolution because it's a rushed game, and they probably got a bit of performance back from using that res.
600p fits into the eDRAM without tiling.
dukmahsik said:
600p with 2X MSAA fits into the frame buffer without tiling.
If they increased the resolution or increased the level of AA applied it would require tiling, which their rendering engine was not designed to do.
Bizarre really dropped the ball with PGR3. It's one horribly buggy game and missing many of the features that were in PGR2. Checking peoples gamertags while in the Lobby or Leaderboard menus causes the entire system to crash, the collision detection is horrible (You can spin people out without ever touching them) there is a glitch where if you replay one series of races on Platinum after beating it on a lower level you LOSE over 6 million credits, you can't see who is talking during the race, the Online Professional achievement award is broken and nobody in the world can unlock it, the list goes on and on.
An order of magnitude is a difference between 60 and 6 FPS, not 60 and 30. What you were suggesting was out of the question - period. Even jut 2-4sample 3d motionblur would still be hideously expensive, and with so few samples it would also start to look bad.dubert said:
You're kind answering your own question about passes in this sentence. Anyway multipass 'tricks' are what eDram is best used for - so I don't see any reasoning against them.
Given how most reflections are over curved surfaces with difficult to see detail in normal view, I'd think that's a very expected/acceptable tradeoff. Many games usually remove stuff from reflections - some cases replace the background with just a skybox, or not render a full lighting/shadow model. It's just the kind of details that are mostly inperceptible in a reflection on what's already relatively small car on screen.Jawed said:
dukmahsik said:
1) They did not have a real system to test it with. Well, at least, it was late.
2) They had to launch with Xbox 360.
It's not that hard to imagine. You can always look forward to FM2 or PGR4.
BTW, some of the photo mode shots people took exploting the free-cam glitch (check out the bizarre creation forum) are still awesome.
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Never mind the AA, its a launch title so i can forgive it for not having it, but what i cant forgive is the lack of AF.
Yeah, DoA4 is very nice looking, and has good AA and texture filtering for the most part.
But as for CoD2, here are some shots:
CoD2 PC at 1280x720 with x2aa on a X800xt-pe vs CoD2 on the 360.
I can't help the difference in FOV as that is just how the game is on each version and I can't figure out how to adjust it on the PC version, but the fact that CoD2 on the 360 is sorely lacking in AA should still be obvious.
Edit- replaced the PC pic with a clearer one.
But as for CoD2, here are some shots:
CoD2 PC at 1280x720 with x2aa on a X800xt-pe vs CoD2 on the 360.
I can't help the difference in FOV as that is just how the game is on each version and I can't figure out how to adjust it on the PC version, but the fact that CoD2 on the 360 is sorely lacking in AA should still be obvious.
Edit- replaced the PC pic with a clearer one.
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The aliasing seems more apparent due to the HDR (e.g. higher contrast between the big gun barrel edges and background scenery), the textures also look lower res on the 360 shot but part of that could be because you're closer in.kyleb said:
2x AA wouldn't resolve all aliasing under the best of circumstances. Maybe try a shot with no AA on the PC and compare it to the 360 and original shot PC shot and see how that looks.
I don't see how there can be any question that AA is missing on that 360 shot; but just for the sake of clarifcation, here is no AA on the PC.
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No AA shot is not so bad maybe because of HD resolution. For Xbox360 demo only very bad AA problem for me is thin powerlines. For me bigger problem is not so great textures.
kyleb said:
No AA shot is not so bad maybe because of HD resolution. For Xbox360 demo only very bad AA problem for me is thin powerlines. For me bigger problem is not so great textures.
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chachi said:
I dont think COD2 even has HDR.
kyleb said:
Well then the comparison is not exactly valid. It should be done on proper displays at the resolution they're supposed to run, not at 480p.
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