My expectation is that at most, if I were to buy an Xbox One, that I'd be locked out for no more than a couple of days in the life of the console, most likely from a severe weather event.
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My expectation is that at most, if I were to buy an Xbox One, that I'd be locked out for no more than a couple of days in the life of the console, most likely from a severe weather event.
And out come the strawmen.
This quote is all kinds of awful.
1) It's not my place to tell them how to manage raising their families
2) There's more to getting an internet contract than just having a bit of money at some point in time - for example credit history can affect your ability to get a contract, and ADSL requires a phone line, and people with patchy work prospects might not be able to make payments reliably and so shy away from long term cost commitments (fear of debt and a worse credit history)
3) Kids can get all their work done on school and library computers that have internet if they can live with the inconvenience
4) Even poor families like to play games, invite friends round to play games, and talk about games with their social circle. And even poor families need some escape from everyday life.
So no, playing a game that your mate lent you is not comparable to your parents getting an phone contract and a DSL contract. It's not. At all.
But I'm probably wasting my time explaining this.
And I know what's going to come next "but why should MS design a console for these people!?". I'm not saying they should, I'm just saying these people exist, which is something that a number of people on this board are currently refusing to accept.
Why would I, as a consumer, be content with something like a 24 hour check and various restrictions when it doesn't help me in any shape, way, or form over identical, digitally distributed content without a 24 hour check?
99.9% of the time is 8.76 hours downtime a year, and I don't think Xbox Live accomplishes that, not even close.
One 24 hour interruption and you've used up 3 year's worth of 99.9% uptime.
A DD library doesn't mean you will be automatically locked out your library at some time determined by the manufacturer. Do you think manufacturers can get away with sending kill codes to our current consoles? How does online DRM makes that ideal fashionable and worthy of getting past legal scrunity?
More than likely the common practice will be simply to let the user download and manage their own library. We aren't talking about movies where the content is generally hardware agnostic. When MS decides to abandon the XB1 in terms of revenue generation, it won't matter what happens afterwards. Piracy can run amok and it won't mean anything to MS because the natural tendency of the userbase is to move on to bigger and better platforms.
This is an area where I think piracy serves as a public good. When manufacturers decides to stop supporting or profiting off an ecosystem then piracy provides a way to open up the content. Piracy provides manufacturers with a cost free way to allow a open ecosystem without abdicating any of their legal rights on the content that flows freely between users.
Online DRM shouldn't be a concern when it comes to cutting off access, a subscription based model should be the concern as both Live and PSN+ have demonstrated. As long as we are buying licensing rights we as gamers will probably be in the clear when it comes to cutting off access, when subscription become the only mode of access, it will all fly out the window.
Ladies and gentleman lets play can scot guess what new system a classic game was remade for
I shall start with the first classic game.
1. System Shock
please fell free to add your suggestions we will give scott marks out of 10 at the end
So you agree, the activation servers going down will be the end of every XBONE game ever made, hurray for convenience and selling out on basic rights.
The console could renew the game licenses every 12 hours, that way the servers would need to be down more than 12 hours.
Again the outage would need to be substantial to affect you. Backup plan: Wifi tethering with your cell phone.
Not all hotels has HDMI-in (or other inputs) on their TV sets unlocked. Four Seasons in Canary Wharf/London hasn't, The Hilton next door has (it also has a much better bar).
Anyway, the solution to your not-so-typical use case is wifi tethering to your cell phone.
Cheers
I am worried about discs, not DD. I don't consider DD games sustainable like i do discs. If the system isn't built to run without activation servers it's a major issue. All they have to do is tell me they will patch in with the last firmware and i will get of their killing culture case
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Sure. But why are you ok with this? Would you be ok if this happened to you TV? To your Car? To any of your other possessions that you paid cash for? It can just stop working one day, cause it couldn't "phone home"?
Bottom line is, MS has no place, preventing you from paying the content that you legitimately purchased.
However they designed their system, the #1 priority should have been making sure that this scenario could never happen. Instead, they focused much more tightly on closing any possible loop holes with sharing games, aka Fixing a problem that doesn't exist.
You really havnt grasped the idea of the game have you, the idea is to prove to scott that all classics do not get remade...
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sorry why ?
for fun I pulled out my 2600 (the only console ive ever bought) and i just played combat thats 35 yeas by my reckoning
I think some folks find the idea of treasuring old games genuinely alien.
I still can't play Rallisport Challenge 2 - the greatest car based game ever (aside from that one where someone's wife pulls your car-key out a bowl at a swingers party) - on any other system than the original Xbox. And I still love the game, far more than any game on my 360.
And if I couldn't play it any more that would really chuff me off. It's bad enough that the Delta DLC can no longer be re-acquired if my HDD corrupts. I got the game ten years ago and still enjoy playing it and replaying it. For me it's not some hypothetical "bad thing" that a console needs to be unlocked every 24 hours, it's something that I know will cause me grief at some point in my game playing and game collecting life.
The had 5 hours downtime the 13th of april and two hours on the 16th of november 2012. That's the service wide failures for the past 18 months. Then there were a few ISP specific outages.
I doubt any lasted more than eight hours.
Cheers
scooby_dooby
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Yes thanks, I'm aware that it is possible to obtain internet connection if you really need to.
But, newsflash, my time is not free, my efforts are not free, my data usage charges and roaming are also not free. I've already paid out $500 cash for this device. Who is recouping me for needless time and hassles I'd experience? Why should I accept any of this at all?
The answer is I won't. I'll buy a XB1 to play exclusives, but any cross platform games, will be PS4. All multiplayer will be done on PS4 or with Steam. I'll use a PS4 to travel with, I'll buy PS4 or a SteamBox for my son as well. MS will make very little profits off me as a user.
We have the choice, and I will make mine. We'll have to see if the general public cares...
It should not be your problem to play the game you bought on the hardware you bought. It takes somethings special to make it a customers problem to use the product. Especially when it's something that is supposed to by an entertaining system.
- sigh - and goodnight everyone, take care see you tomorrow for another round,
I'm with you function...
ps: i wonder how many dlc's for games are no longer available, if someone had to buy a new system
Why would you be content with any form of DRM which isn't there to directly service consumers?
Business are motivated no different than you are as an individual. Would my gaining regular access to your home be less disconcerting even if I were using it simply as a shortcut to get to my daily destination? A manufacturer doesn't need proof that piracy is hampering its business, just the thought of someone gaining unauthorized access to the hardware and content is motivation enough whether its malevolent or not.
You maintain locks on your doors do you not? Does those locks inconvenience you, your family and your vistors more than they inconvenience any would be criminal trying to gain access to your home? Maintaining security almost always comes with user inconvenience.
Its not like piracy and hardware hacking is happening on the manufacturer or a publisher side. MS is not hacking the PS3 and throwing its contents on the internet. Its a consumer side driven phenomenon, so like speed limits or door locks we all share in the inconvenience placed on us by some authority because some of us engage in actions that those in authority want to stop. The fact is if there was some magic low cost DRM scheme that didn't inconvenience anyone, yet still stopped every attempt to hack or pirate, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Luckily there is the PS4 for those that find MS's DRM implementation too inconvenient. And thats what it comes down to convenience. If you were oppose to DRM in general you wouldn't game on a console. We all have a different level of tolerance when it comes to inconveniences. MS simply chooses to offer a product to those that have a higher tolerance. There is nothing wrong with doing so.
The discussion will lead to nothing but a circular argument. Because you can't force someone to be tolerant of an undesirable requirement nor can you force someone to take umbrage with a requirement that doesn't bother them.
scooby_dooby
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Why? You are saying that EA and Activision will implement this 24hr check themselves?
That seems pretty far fetched to me... unless there's some other evidence I haven't seen.
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