XBox One, PS4, DRM, and You

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  1. blakjedi

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    Fiascos? NSA? Everything you wrote is simply opinion about what you think is not possible. And yet MS spent billions of dollars and two hours; one on broadcast tv and one at E3 to SHOW that there is a system which does make it possible.

    Do I believe you? Or what I saw?

    For a system that's "measurably better" in your parlance the games certainly look exactly the same on Xbox one. Hmm. So the idea of 6 extra cus will make you proud? Hahaha. You have shame from a video game console? Do you always buy the latest phones for fear of being shamed with something in your opinion lesser?

    I think what you wrote is false until proven otherwise. If I get my hands on an Xbox one this year and can change my channels, pull up my guide and play destiny, watchdogs, the division, ryse, and titanfall at 1080p on my television, then your entire post will be wrong. Wrong in spirit and wrong in fact.
     
  2. zupallinere

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    Quite honestly all of this Xb1 is the Model T and PS4 is a faster horse and buggy seems like Ken Kutaragi saying something arrogant about the PS3. The Next Gen doesn't start till Microsoft says it does. :roll:
     
  3. eastmen

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    Next gen wont start for at least another 5 to 6 years. At least not for consoles we are just getting the xbox 360 part 2 and the ps3 part 2.

    If you buy something digital with the terms given before purchase then yea you don't own it.

    I was fine being able to buy a digital download and either pick it up in a store or download it depending on not only my download speed but also who had the best sale.

    Of course now all the good featuers are gone and for DD I am stuck with only one option.


    So of course thanks for that. I'm so glad you can sell your week old game that you paid $60 bucks for back to gamestop for $20. So glad you can do that. Good show.
     
  4. zupallinere

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    So not loading discs to play and the family sharing plan defines Next Gen ?

    You mean the same Gamestop that MS was going to do Used Game deals with ?? :shock:

    It's not about Gamestop it's about losing a perceived right. Every other game system allows the consumer to enjoy the benefits of the first sale doctrine. Every other piece of media enjoys the same benefit. Why would a consumer give up that benefit ( how many decades old benefit ) for the ability to not have to switch discs to play a game or deal with a curiously byzantine family share plan. By all means invoke the Autocad decision and extrapolate that no game license can be sold used but WHY does the 360 get to do it ???? The gaming industrial complex is far bigger than Gamespot ... why haven't they sued Gamespot or Gamefly or people selling games on Craigslist.
     
  5. eastmen

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    I'm talking about the announced features of the xbox one that are now gone.


    PSN , XBOX arcade , xbox indie , Steam , origin , ios , android do not have the benfit of first sale doctrine.

    Netflix , Ultra voliet , hulu plus don't allow for the first sale doctrine.

    People are willing to give it up to gain the benfits , everyone but console owners who are stuck in the past.
     
  6. (((interference)))

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    Actually I've been told he was the original source behind it (from someone who'd know firsthand lol)

    In any case, the pastebin seems legit to me; I couldn't MS would let 10 people share their games with each other without some kind of catch (and the 60 minute demo makes perfect sense).

    It's also definitely true that one of MS's priorities was reducing the value of used games.

    Also, this is a truly spectacular about face by MS - few people realise that their original plans were for nothing to work when offline besides the network troubleshooter and Bluray playback (mandated by the Bluray spec), if you lost internet for more than 3 minutes while playing a game you would be booted to the network troubleshooter.

    They seemed to have toned this down substantially to just a 24 hour online check in and now have completely done away with it.

    Quite amazing to see internet furor accomplish something.
     
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  7. RancidLunchmeat

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    LOL, no joke.

    And I'm sure after reading that tirade, we can all see that Silenti is somebody who was really going to purchase a MS product but is just completely offended by the transition to digital media and that's why he protested so much.

    Give us all a break. You look foolish.

    We get it. You're pissed that MS was able to "get away with" selling on-line features as a service, rather than offering them for free. And then you watched Sony take the exact same course with the PS4.

    We get it. We get that you and all your cronies saw MS's policies and were worried that if they were successful that Sony would have to implement the same policies and restrictions just as they did with multiplayer gaming and charging for PSN.

    We get it. We get that your issue, and the issue of all those hundreds of thousands of millions of people that shouted so loudly that MS backtracked, has nothing at all to do with your desire, ability, or willingness to purchase the One. Because you were never going to buy one anyway. It has to do EVERYTHING with your collective fear that if MS actually went through with their plans and were successful, that Sony would follow suit.

    In the mean time, what YOU don't get, is the fact that the console paradigm is not profitable. You can see that already. Last generation, we got the 360 that was the most powerful gaming system available upon launch. Even when it launched a year later, the PS3 was still superior to the vast majority of PC gaming platforms in service (at least according to Steam's demographics). This time around? The One and PS4 are launching with hardware that is ALREADY OUTDATED.

    That alone should tell you where the console market is going. They can't sell loss-leading consoles and hope to make up profits on game sales alone (especially not as long as a used game market exists), they have to up-sell additional services and products in order to make up for the loss on the console, or they have to gimp the consoles, or both.

    Both of these consoles are pieces of junk hardware wise. There is no "cell majik" happening this generation, there is no "multi-core" experience while PC's are all single threaded. Go to any PC forum and the PC gamers laugh at people thinking these consoles are offering anything new or exciting. The consoles haven't even launched yet and you can build a PC that is far more powerful than either of these, for equal or less money, right now. That wasn't the case when the 360 launched.

    What you've done, by your "victory" is actually contribute to the death of consoles.

    Congratulations.
     
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  8. zupallinere

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    What's bought in the Cloud stays in the Cloud

    Variation of the idea of a loan from a library.
    Yup but many just want a better deal than MS was offering and I don't blame them.
     
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    So i'm not getting the first sale doctrine then and digital media . The only difference on the xbox one the way it was before is this- A Downloaded game and a game on a disc are the same thing. The only difference is the delievery method. Most people were to dense to understand that it is the future and they are already doing it on all their devices and we will be doing it on the xbox one and ps4. Your already okay with doing it unless your going to try and tell me you never bought an xbox live or psn game ever.
     
  10. zupallinere

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    Right I would rather pay twice a month to watch Netflix instead of only paying once to see it on PSN.... wonder why the PS3 does most of the Netflix streaming ... must be Horse and Buggy wanting luddites that should feel PRIVILEGED to pay MS to watch what they already payed for.

    With the PS4 you pay for online gaming and nothing more.

    So it wasn't Gamespot that destroyed consoles it was people who complained about MS policies ?? If used games were actually destroying the business then Gamestop would have been sued for selling them otherwise no business. Publishers have always had the means to stop it and they haven't ... what do they know that you don't ??
     
  11. Cyan

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    I agree with the bolded parts -and one of them is something Microsoft got right to some extent, as focusing only on the core isn't the best option-.

    In my honest opinion, the biggest piece of advice -I am no one to give advice but you get the idea- I can give you is that it's better to settle this and move on, Silenti.

    We can safely assume that the people who didn't want the DRM were right, because they are a majority, and when so many people think that way, perhaps, just perhaps, they are right. Some of them didn't do that for a true benefit or cause, and wanted to complain, and probably never were interested in the console in the first place.

    Most of the people that complained were posting about that every now and then, or every day. They were complaining more about the internet issue than they were actually affected by it. Those were fine in some cases, it was their actual opinion, but the entitled gamers that mocked and insulted others I can't empathize with.

    Lastly, in regards to you, as I said there are many people and many journalists who are happy and think it is very good Microsoft listened and changed their drm policies, so you are basically in the right side of the coin now. It is definitely what MOST people wanted. Thus I would like to share an article with you, if it makes you feel better.

    Time magazine wrote this:

    http://techland.time.com/2013/06/20...ies-is-precisely-the-right-move-by-microsoft/

    I am in the other side, I wanted a console like the one Microsoft planned, with a few touches here and there. I blame the decision to a last minute change on investors.
     
  12. Cyan

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    Edited : bad link
     
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    That's the same heart rending letter that was denounced as false because it came from pastebin and claims the family share plan was for glorified 45 minute demos.
     
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    Ooh sorry, I will remove the link then. Some of the comments were rather odd, but others I agreed with. Thanks for clearing this up.
     
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    Family Sharing is :

    How is this not what people wanted with a shared plan ??
     
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    For what it's worth, Aaron Greenberg just completely denied this rumor on twitter. The family plan was NOT sharing demos and it was NOT limited to 60 minutes.

    https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/statuses/347911202057379840
     
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    The difference in the XBOX 180 case is the policy applied to the disc/dd being the same.

    Again you confuse choice with "what everybody is doing". The PSN/Live games i have bought have (afaik) being exclusive DD games, like that Kinect Theater game, minecraft, and small random games. If i could i would most likely have bought the discs so i could keep them forever. I was not given the choice..

    The future has been postponed, i think the positives more than outweigh your personal negatives.

    Ohh and i am looking forward to Microsoft explaining why we can't share DD games like the promised, either something is fishy or their system has a fundamental flaw ...?
     
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    CBOAT's original post is up on GAF for anyone to see and it does not say anything about a down clock, it states there are issues with the ESRAM. People jumped to all sorts of conclusions when other people said they heard similar things but they went into much more detail about the alleged issues.
     
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    The person who writes like they poured a bunch of vulgar and misspelled fridge poetry magnets into a bag and dumped them out on the screen, Google translated it to Esperanto, then Bing translated it gibberish, then rubbed a cat on the keyboard, was misinterpreted?
     
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