Xbox One (Durango) Technical hardware investigation

[bkilian]

Welcome to a new generation of games and entertainment. Where sentences are simple clauses. And we start with connectives. Where marketing firms once again cripple our beautiful language. And we look like numpties as a result.

Haha! You consider English a beautiful language?!?

 

[Prophecy2k]

Haha! You consider English a beautiful language?!?

"English"-english... when spoken correctly ;-)

None of that american stuff ya'll speak over the other side of the pond

 

[COPS N RAPPERS]

Microsoft says the xbox one is more than 10x the power of xbox 360.

In a closed-door meeting called "Xbox 101" attended by GamesIndustry International, the company stressed that Xbox One has "the computational power of more than 10 Xbox 360 consoles,"

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...-power-of-10-xbox-360-consoles-says-microsoft

what level of GPU are they using?

 

[Betanumerical]

Microsoft says the xbox one is more than 10x the power of xbox 360.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...-power-of-10-xbox-360-consoles-says-microsoft

what level of GPU are they using?

The same number was revealed in the leaked documentation and its also true when you take into account the efficiency gains with GCN.

 

[COPS N RAPPERS]

The same number was revealed in the leaked documentation and its also true when you take into account the efficiency gains with GCN.

hmmmm. so does that also mean the 1.2 tflops from the leaks lead to a 10x increase?

 

[Betanumerical]

hmmmm. so does that also mean the 1.2 tflops from the leaks lead to a 10x increase?

From the 360 Yes.

 

[COPS N RAPPERS]

that's what I was thinking. I'm still wondering what class of GPU is inside of the console and why the overkill on the cooling. are the chips 40nm or something?

 

[AlphaWolf]

They want it silent.

 

[COPS N RAPPERS]

They want it silent.

the fan I see the need for, but that heat sink? they could have downsized the console, like what sony has in mind. does this imply the ps4 will be very loud?

 

[AlphaWolf]

I assume they want the fan to not run in low power mode at all, so a decent sized heat sink makes sense.

 

[bkilian]

"English"-english... when spoken correctly ;-)

None of that american stuff ya'll speak over the other side of the pond

I do not speak American English...

 

[COPS N RAPPERS]

I assume they want the fan to not run in low power mode at all, so a decent sized heat sink makes sense.

sounds like a possibility. what's on my mind is the different confident levels both companies MS and Sony share. in a nutshell Xbox is "a big box, weaker hardware" and Sony's is "small box, stronger hardware" and not to mention, they're both using the same GPU/CPU setup.

I'm thinking Microsoft is over compensating because of RROD, but that setup and air space that they have has to account for something. My laptop is way thinner and quiet as is without a fan combo like that.

 

[Scott_Arm]

My guess is that the PS4 will be very quiet as well. Xbox One seems to be designed to be quiet as well as being dead simple to manufacture and service. PS4 seems like it would be a little more complex to assemble and disassemble.

 

[AlphaWolf]

I don't think size is much of a win. Most people are going to put it somewhere and leave it there. In fact some might prefer it to match dimensions with their av stack.

 

[3dilettante]

The significant amount of venting on the Xbox One allows for a number of short and straight paths from the heatink to the exterior of the box. The upper vents may compromise its stackability, but passive or almost passive air flow could be enough for that setup at the low load power modes.

Sony's solution is compact, and it seems to leave the broad panels unvented for stacking or aesthetics, but it looks like it relies on more directed and actively driven airflow.

 

[steveOrino]

sounds like a possibility. what's on my mind is the different confident levels both companies MS and Sony share. in a nutshell Xbox is "a big box, weaker hardware" and Sony's is "small box, stronger hardware" and not to mention, they're both using the same GPU/CPU setup.

I'm thinking Microsoft is over compensating because of RROD, but that setup and air space that they have has to account for something. My laptop is way thinner and quiet as is without a fan combo like that.

I don't think so, MS did what their designers could do to produce good airflow and cooling. Sony has been in the electronics manufacturing business for a long time so not surprising they use all that know how to build a smaller efficient enclosure.

I am still shocked that the power supply is external for how big the X1 enclosure is however.

 

[3dilettante]

I am still shocked that the power supply is external for how big the X1 enclosure is however.

One less component in the case dumping heat and cluttering up one of the airflow paths.

 

[Jwm]

@AlphaWolf I am thinking the size will be about right to sit on top of your Av receiver, along with sort of blending in with them.

I keep thinking my old core 2 quad is silent up until I remember it is water cooled. Lol

Core i5 mini box with a 7850 gets a bit loud when the gpu gets running.

 

[eastmen]

I don't think so, MS did what their designers could do to produce good airflow and cooling. Sony has been in the electronics manufacturing business for a long time so not surprising they use all that know how to build a smaller efficient enclosure.

I am still shocked that the power supply is external for how big the X1 enclosure is however.

I prefer an external power supply.

I'm able to mount them on the back of my stand and they get plenty of air flow in an open air where they stay cool .

An internal power supply would just add to the heat in the console.

 

[COPS N RAPPERS]

I don't think size is much of a win. Most people are going to put it somewhere and leave it there. In fact some might prefer it to match dimensions with their av stack.

I'm not saying it's a win for either on the "ideal" size for a console, but the directions are at opposite ends. I'm wondering how do you account for higher clock speeds and efficiency while using a small one-way ventilation case and a simple heatsink? I think they're placing too much confidence in the APU setup.

I've seen the inside of Xbox's case but I have to see the special array sony has in mind.

I don't think so, MS did what their designers could do to produce good airflow and cooling. Sony has been in the electronics manufacturing business for a long time so not surprising they use all that know how to build a smaller efficient enclosure.

I do agree that the size and configuration of the box is up to their designers, but it's AMD's parts that are the scaffolds of these two structures. i'm thinking the chips inside of these two consoles could have been at two different stages when their case designers were assembling them. The chip sizes of the two consoles should be at the same efficiently levels since it's coming from the same provider.