"Xbox 2 HD-DVD"

DemoCoder said:
The manufacturing cost of the disks is infinitessimal compared to the cost of the DVDs on the shelves. When you go and buy a $30-40 DVD, you are buying something for which duplication cost <$1 per disc (last time I looked, in 1999 it cost about $1 per disc excluding the cost of the master)

Depends on the studio. Warner Brothers believe that retail pricing should be in the impulse range of ~$5. Their belief is that in this price range they will make more money due to the volume of purchase (and they have current sales data that does back this up). For them, the raw media cost IS a factor in their profit margins and the pricing of the DVDs. Hence they are for the format that has better raw media costs.

In addition, both BR and HD-DVD are at best a stopgap technology. Realistically, the next format needs to be in the range of 100GB supported at intro.

Aaron Spink
speaking for myself inc.
 
That was Warren Liebfarb who believed in impulse purchasing pricing when he touted DVD as head of Warners home video division. He's long gone now but is working as consultant for Toshiba and MS.

Even Warners doesn't sell their DVDs, in those cheap paper cases, for $5 unless it's like a sale at Wal Mart the day after Thanksgiving. Or as part of buy 2 for $10 promotion.

But in those cases, it's not clear if Warners and the other studios are cutting their wholesale pricing or if the discount chains are using them as loss leaders to generate foot traffic.

In any event, those sales are limited to a few titles, especially old ones nobody was going to buy for $15 or more.

Unless Blu-Ray's manufacturing costs are horribly out of line, they should be able to price new releases at $15-20 like they do for new DVDs. It's just that they will probably try to command a premium for it (also probably true of HD-DVDs).

Besides the higher costs for the data layer, Blu-Ray will be burdened by the hard clear coat they need to protect the discs if they're not to be in caddies. The clear coat is nice, supposedly more protective than what is used in DVDs. They demoed writing over the disc with a Sharpie and the ink just beaded up and they wiped the ink off. Only thing is that this clear coat is costly and adds to the cycle times.
 
I buy almost all of my DVDs at $10 or less.

I may not be the normal consumer, but if you walk into Walmart the discount DVD area has more titles and a bigger area than the new releases. And most new releases hit $15 within a couple months.

Without having hard numbers, it would appear to me that the first 3 or 4 months there are customers who are willing to pay the premium $20+, but after that the titles still sell well (well enough to have a large retail area for them) but need to be cheaper to have good sales.

So I am probably not too odd... probably a lot of us who wont pay $20 for a movie I will watch 2 or 3 times. Cheaper to rent otherwise...

Again, that is just me and my interpretation... I could be WAYYYY off. Just thinking outloud that some of us do fall into the money pinching market!
 
Kill this noise. Seems Gamereactor scans show "12X DVD" as the 360 drive spec. I don't know what to think. I'll have to check later to see what the first-gen BR drives have for BRD and DVD specs (transfer rate and access time). PEACE.
 
MechanizedDeath said:
Kill this noise. Seems Gamereactor scans show "12X DVD" as the 360 drive spec. I don't know what to think. I'll have to check later to see what the first-gen BR drives have for BRD and DVD specs (transfer rate and access time). PEACE.

This still doesn't stop MS from releasing a premium edition or MCE Xbox360 with HD DVD next year.
 
The biggest risk right now (for all console makers) is that there is no HD DVD standard. Especially with "unification" talks, it is just way too risky to put any kind of HD drive technology into the units for a holiday '05 launch.

Even Spring '06 is going to be risky for Sony.

The way things are going (wrt stadards talk), I'm not expecting HD DVD movies of any type to be available this holiday season.
 
What MS does (if anything) with respect to a high def DVD drive, should really not depend on what Sony does with PS3 much at all.

Once a standard emerges, then MS should adopt it for a higher end unit if the economics make sense. Otherwise, just wait for the next generation.
 
I don't really see a problem in releasing a new version of the X360, when the dust settles on this whole HDDVD mess.
They want X360 to be a media hub, a HD media hub, it makes sense to release a HDDVD version of it.
Games will all be released on DVD so that they're compatible with all X360 consoles, but at least we'll get HDDVD playback if you get the newer version.
Much like Sony releasing a new version of their PS2 to support DVDRW and Pro-Scan DVD playback, and then the shrunk PSTwo.

It can easily be done without confusing the consumers too much.
 
Well an MCE unit would be like the PSX. How well did that work out?

They likely won't be able to use a high-capacity disc for gaming content because most of the installed base will be on DVD. So developers won't put games on HD-DVD.

A lot of gamers would probably opt to buy standalone blue-laser players. And if they buy Blu-Ray, they get recordability to boot, which they wouldn't get in a console.
 
wco81 said:
Well an MCE unit would be like the PSX. How well did that work out?

They likely won't be able to use a high-capacity disc for gaming content because most of the installed base will be on DVD. So developers won't put games on HD-DVD.

A lot of gamers would probably opt to buy standalone blue-laser players. And if they buy Blu-Ray, they get recordability to boot, which they wouldn't get in a console.

Don't use PSX as an example. The PSX is horrible!!! $750 for a crippled DVD recorder. MCE Xbox360 with HD DVD will be nothing close to that horrible PSX!!!
 
PC-Engine said:
wco81 said:
Well an MCE unit would be like the PSX. How well did that work out?

They likely won't be able to use a high-capacity disc for gaming content because most of the installed base will be on DVD. So developers won't put games on HD-DVD.

A lot of gamers would probably opt to buy standalone blue-laser players. And if they buy Blu-Ray, they get recordability to boot, which they wouldn't get in a console.

Don't use PSX as an example. The PSX is horrible!!! $750 for a crippled DVD recorder. MCE Xbox360 with HD DVD will be nothing close to that horrible PSX!!!

Let me think, cause it's not Sony?
 
PC-Engine said:
No because PSX is a POS and MS would be crazy to price a Xbox360HD DVD at $750. :LOL: ;)

Why? If that's not too far from standalone HDDVD players (which initially will be the case), i don't see that as being too expensive, considering you get a new Xbox too.
 
london-boy said:
PC-Engine said:
No because PSX is a POS and MS would be crazy to price a Xbox360HD DVD at $750. :LOL: ;)

Why? If that's not too far from standalone HDDVD players (which initially will be the case), i don't see that as being too expensive, considering you get a new Xbox too.

Why would they sell it at $750 when PS3 will be $300? :LOL:
 
PC-Engine said:
london-boy said:
PC-Engine said:
No because PSX is a POS and MS would be crazy to price a Xbox360HD DVD at $750. :LOL: ;)

Why? If that's not too far from standalone HDDVD players (which initially will be the case), i don't see that as being too expensive, considering you get a new Xbox too.

Why would they sell it at $750 when PS3 will be $300? :LOL:

I'm not MS, all i'm saying is that i don't expect HDDVD players to be cheap straight away, whatever you say.
 
london-boy said:
PC-Engine said:
london-boy said:
PC-Engine said:
No because PSX is a POS and MS would be crazy to price a Xbox360HD DVD at $750. :LOL: ;)

Why? If that's not too far from standalone HDDVD players (which initially will be the case), i don't see that as being too expensive, considering you get a new Xbox too.

Why would they sell it at $750 when PS3 will be $300? :LOL:

I'm not MS, all i'm saying is that i don't expect HDDVD players to be cheap straight away, whatever you say.

Well how much is MSRP 99 EUR? That's how much a HD DVD drive for PC will cost in Sept.
 
PC-Engine said:
Well how much is 99 EUR? That's how much a HD DVD drive for PC will cost in Sept.

We'll see. I'm talking about stand-alone players anyway. The cost of the thing will be driven by the use of it. In the UK, a standalone player will cost a lot not because it costs a lot to make, but because it's just been released, and it's a "luxury" item.
 
I think this is all wishful thinking. I think MS will promote VC-1 encoded movies on DVD-ROM for XB360. They are already doing this *today* (Terminator 2 is available in 1080p! A couple dozen other titles have been remastered as well)
 
london-boy said:
PC-Engine said:
Well how much is 99 EUR? That's how much a HD DVD drive for PC will cost in Sept.

We'll see. I'm talking about stand-alone players anyway. The cost of the thing will be driven by the use of it. In the UK, a standalone player will cost a lot not because it costs a lot to make, but because it's just been released, and it's a "luxury" item.

Well I wasn't talking about standalone players. Why have a $750 standalone player with a builtin Xbox? An Xbox with a different drive (HD DVD) selling for say $400 makes a lot more sense.

DemoCoder said:
I think this is all wishful thinking. I think MS will promote VC-1 encoded movies on DVD-ROM for XB360. They are already doing this *today* (Terminator 2 is available in 1080p! A couple dozen other titles have been remastered as well)

Oh I agree, as a matter of fact WB will be supporting the FVD format in Asian markets which is basically HD movies using VC-1.
 
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