"Xbox 2 HD-DVD"
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If someone else is willing to eat the cost difference between a DVD drive and an HD-DVD drive and fix the problematic 1st generation drives, I'll take it. Otherwise, don't bother. I don't want to pay for something that has no proven future, costs more and will probably be less reliable.
McFly said:Yesterday I've read that Nintendo will use HD-DVD, now this, than the Polyphony Digital nonsense ... what's next? Nintendo will use quantum computing in the Revolution?
I hope this will stop or this board will soon be GAF2.
Fredi
SOON? I think it's a little bit too late for that.
The forums are fine . There is alot of information and miss information going around and people want to talk about it . This is whats been going on with cell , this is whats been going on wit hthe x360 . Its just what happens with new launchs , People get some information and for whatever reason want to see it discussed or burried
RancidLunchmeat
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Yes, but does any clown actually happen to get Variety magazine?
(of course, if you do and can verify the validity of this article, then I will immediately make a "geek-clown" exception for you! )
While this "rumor" was posted yet again on a forum, it actually provides a link to a relatively real "news source". Wow, a lot of disclaimers for sure, but still more than just "somebody told me..." Which is what we've normally been getting.
This would also be a huge coup for Toshiba, and could be why they backed off the supposed "agreements" leaked earlier by the Japanese press. It also makes far more sense for Microsoft and their push to the "HD" era, to actually include a HD-DVD drive.
Anybody else find it funny that Toshiba works with Sony on the Cell, and fights with them on BR/HD-DVD and both have a huge impact on who wins the console wars this go around?
(Lurking for 2 years, by the way.. just decided to speak up now.)
(of course, if you do and can verify the validity of this article, then I will immediately make a "geek-clown" exception for you!
)While this "rumor" was posted yet again on a forum, it actually provides a link to a relatively real "news source". Wow, a lot of disclaimers for sure, but still more than just "somebody told me..." Which is what we've normally been getting.
This would also be a huge coup for Toshiba, and could be why they backed off the supposed "agreements" leaked earlier by the Japanese press. It also makes far more sense for Microsoft and their push to the "HD" era, to actually include a HD-DVD drive.
Anybody else find it funny that Toshiba works with Sony on the Cell, and fights with them on BR/HD-DVD and both have a huge impact on who wins the console wars this go around?
(Lurking for 2 years, by the way.. just decided to speak up now.)
It would be smart of Sony to push back negotiations with toshiba until they can be sure MS has already chosen drive technology.
It sounds like MS already has though. I wonder what they mean about future upgrades, if that would be an external drive or something. Or maybe you can unplug your optical drive and slide in a new one. I like that better for a set top box.
It sounds like MS already has though. I wonder what they mean about future upgrades, if that would be an external drive or something. Or maybe you can unplug your optical drive and slide in a new one. I like that better for a set top box.
RancidLunchmeat
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Why would it have to be either or, Pozer?
I fully expect all NG systems to have 512 ram just due to marketing influences. As far as the HD optical drive, if Sony can put a BR drive (which is inherently more expensive as I currently understand), in their system, why can't MS toss in a cheaper HD-DVD drive?
Looking at numbers tossed around these forums the past couple of months, it seems that Sony lost money launching both the PS1 and the PS2, and MS (obviously) lost money launching the Xbox.
So all these systems are going to be sold at a loss. Is a $10 per unit increase in loss worth increasing your installation base by 250,000? How about 500,000?
If its true that HD-DVDs will be in stores the same time as Xbox2, it's going to be Sony in the very familiar situation of shouting into walls about how their "tech is better" yet nobody uses it because of their absurd licensing fees.
I fully expect all NG systems to have 512 ram just due to marketing influences. As far as the HD optical drive, if Sony can put a BR drive (which is inherently more expensive as I currently understand), in their system, why can't MS toss in a cheaper HD-DVD drive?
Looking at numbers tossed around these forums the past couple of months, it seems that Sony lost money launching both the PS1 and the PS2, and MS (obviously) lost money launching the Xbox.
So all these systems are going to be sold at a loss. Is a $10 per unit increase in loss worth increasing your installation base by 250,000? How about 500,000?
If its true that HD-DVDs will be in stores the same time as Xbox2, it's going to be Sony in the very familiar situation of shouting into walls about how their "tech is better" yet nobody uses it because of their absurd licensing fees.
gurgi said:jvd said:10$ x 10 million ... huge loss
Hehe, true...but put in the context of Xbox1's losses? I guess maybe that makes cost even more important.
we are talking about only the hd-dvd drive .
I believe the xbox lost about 180$ per unit at launch. Figure 5million units in the first year ?
So 5million x180$ that is alot
Now while i'm willing to give you that ms and sony will both be willing to loose money they can't loose money forever (look at the xbox ) and that there is a limit to how much they will loose per unit .
So for everything that goes in something has to go out .
Now perhaps samsung is willing to give ms the drives at cost , they wil still be more expensive than a dvd player . Same goes with bluray , even at cost to make they will be more than a dvd drive . So they both will have to give up something if they go next gen format instead of staying with the perious .
Now personaly my believe is that its the hardrive that was sacrficed in the x360. That is why it will only come in the high end model . They figure its a good way to save money
The difference is, with BluRay, sony can give away the razor, and sell the blades. Since Sony owns several movie studios, and huge vaults of content, they can afford to take a loss on BD players while selling BD content they own. MS and Toshiba can't do the same, unless you want to watch MSNBC footage on your HD-DVD.
Sony was pressing this fact at CES 2005 where they were demoing an impressive array of Columbia/MGM BD content around the show. BD content will carry a premium at first as well (probably $10 per disc than an equivalent DVD movie).
Sony was pressing this fact at CES 2005 where they were demoing an impressive array of Columbia/MGM BD content around the show. BD content will carry a premium at first as well (probably $10 per disc than an equivalent DVD movie).
toshiba will still make money off media sales . They will also make money off the publishers buying the hd-dvd discs .
If they don't merge the standards both sides will want a big installed base and one way is to get into next gen consoles . Sony will go with bluray for sure or the merged standard . Ms will most likely go hd-dvd or the merged standard if they go next gen .
So if there is no merged standard its good for toshiba to get the hd-dvd into the x360 as that will give them a huge mass market item in the usa for a good 6-10 months before the sony bluray enabled ps3 comes here.
If then sony or toshiba can get nintendo to choose thier format it will again shift the power .
In a war between two formats its normaly what ever is cheaper and has the most support for it .
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