Windows 11 [2021]

[orangpelupa]

That download / install issues has been since windows 8 IIRC.

The only surefire way to fix is a complete windows reinstall

Although with the addition of the feature to change installation location, usually it can be Workaround by installing on different drive

 

[Scott_Arm]

That download / install issues has been since windows 8 IIRC.

The only surefire way to fix is a complete windows reinstall

Although with the addition of the feature to change installation location, usually it can be Workaround by installing on different drive

Lol

 

[swaaye]

I bet it's a nightmare trying to get shit done across divisions all while the train steams forward to the next nonsense scheduled feature update. And the current management seems to have weird clone-the-competition ideas along with just figuring out new ways to harvest user behavior data.

 

[Cyan]

I hate Windows 11 with a passion. I pretty much hate everything microsoft at this point. The experience has gotten so bad, I can't handle it. My xbox app started having all kinds of weird behaviour where I'd try to download something from gamepass and it would sit at "preparing" for an eternity before the download would start. Then I got Darktide. The update wasn't showing up in the xbox app, but my friend said it only shows up in the microsoft store. So I look there and hey, the update is available. I try to download it through the store and it sits for about an hour before starting. Downloads the whole ... almost. It says it installs, but the install progress wheel thingy is only 3/4 complete. I look at the download and it's 0.1 MB shy of the actual download size. I can't repair the game, launch the game, or even uninstall it. Reboot. And then uninstall seems to work. Then I try to download the entire game over again. The download gets 0.1 MB from the end and stops. Can't do anything, but cancel it. I go through all of this bullshit troubleshooting on the microsoft answers page. I try repairing the microsoft store and xbox apps. I try resetting the microsoft store and xbox apps. I try removing gaming services and installing it again. I use dism to check my image, and sfc to check my system files. Can no longer get a download to start at all. Then I notice that I can't launch any of my xbox games from the app anymore. They never error. Just absolutely nothing happens when you try to launch.

Windows, xbox and microsoft as a company are just completely garbage. I hate it. Probably going to cancel gamepass and never give microsoft another dollar if I can avoid it. Ever since I switched to Windows 11, I've just had problem after problem, and I switched to Windows 11 because I started having mountains of audio problems in Windows 10. I hope that steam linux with this thing their doing with steam deck basically makes Windows obsolete for gaming. I'll run some kind of steam linux on my gaming pc and I'll get a mac mini for productivity stuff.

kinda know your pain. I fixed most of those issues by performing a W11 clean installation -then got into the Insider program, dev build, as I was before-, a simple debloater, and there you go. I just use a 2TB NVMe drive for Windows 11 gaming, I do nothing related to work or simple things like writing emails there, while on my 1TB SSD I just installed Ubuntu but will probably install Windows 11 just for the typical stuff like emails and so on but zero gaming, I have the NVMe for that.

Worked fine for me. Linux is even worse, alas. I tried Ubuntu on the SSD -it's still installed there- and it was problem after problem. As for PC Gamepass, Spencer has said that their are working on a totally new app for it, the current one sure..., is like the worst thing ever. Still, if you are in the insiders build you might have some luck, those issues aren't something I am experiencing anymore-

 

[Scott_Arm]

kinda know your pain. I fixed most of those issues by performing a W11 clean installation -then got into the Insider program, dev build, as I was before-, a simple debloater, and there you go. I just use a 2TB NVMe drive for Windows 11 gaming, I do nothing related to work or simple things like writing emails there, while on my 1TB SSD I just installed Ubuntu but will probably install Windows 11 just for the typical stuff like emails and so on but zero gaming, I have the NVMe for that.

Worked fine for me. Linux is even worse, alas. I tried Ubuntu on the SSD -it's still installed there- and it was problem after problem. As for PC Gamepass, Spencer has said that their are working on a totally new app for it, the current one sure..., is like the worst thing ever. Still, if you are in the insiders build you might have some luck, those issues aren't something I am experiencing anymore-

Isn't the current Xbox app a new one that replaced another one?

 

[Cyan]

Isn't the current Xbox app a new one that replaced another one?

afaik, it's been the same for a couple of years now, absolutely bad.

 

[orangpelupa]

Isn't the current Xbox app a new one that replaced another one?

Yep, it's a new one with gamepass integrated. The old one didn't have gamepass integrated, and can't show download progress.

 

[Cyan]

Isn't the current Xbox app a new one that replaced another one?

what @orangpelupa said, although I didn't see any major change. There has been changes, important ones, like being able to add files to the games' directories, that way I've been able to inject a DXVK wrapper as of lately by copying DXVK 2.0 files there. The app itself still never evolved from mediocrity.

That being said, I have purchased several games there, like Persona 5 and A Plague Tale Requiem, among others, and continue to support the service, 'cos I also purchased EA games via EA Play and the app, and Ubisoft games.

 

[orangpelupa]

And it's not that the Xbox app itself sux. But the windows store backend it borrowed that sux.

It have too many failed state that make it stuck

 

[Cyan]

btw if you wonder how to install 2 totally independent Windows 11 (or 10) on 2 drives of the same PC and choose which one to launch.... What I initially did -a mistake-, was that I installed a W11 just for gaming on a 2TB NVMe drive and some time afterwards, I installed W11 for everything else in a 1TB SSD drive.

The new W11 install completely overwrites the previous NVMe install and launches by default.

Changing the Menu Options

EasyBCD has a number of different settings dictating the behavior of the entry selection screen that you see on startup. These options may be set from the “Edit Boot Menu” page in EasyB…

neosmart.net

But I found that link, and they talk about EasyBCD. I downloaded the program, checked the "Wait for user selection" so you can choose between 2 different versions of Windows in the same machine and that's it, easy as pie.

This sounds easy, and it is, but I found this myself and initially I was just reading relatively complex methods that involved unplugging one device and plugging the other and bla bla bla.

 

[orangpelupa]

This sounds easy, and it is, but I found this myself and initially I was just reading relatively complex methods that involved unplugging one device and plugging the other and bla bla bla.

that would allow you to select which windows to boot via bios boot menu, and allowing each drive to independently boot when plugged in a different computer

 

[Cyan]

that would allow you to select which windows to boot via bios boot menu, and allowing each drive to independently boot when plugged in a different computer

that's interesting although of course, for my particular needs, since I won't be using those drives anywhere outside of my current PC, those are complex steps that I didn't need.

Btw, with the method I mentioned in the previous post, one of the best things about it is that you can use the other disk with Windows 11 as the secondary disk of your OS and install games there too.



Which is another win of that method, you don't lose that extra nice space in case you need it.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Sometimes I hate modern Windows so much. I recently upgraded to Windows 11. Had to use Valinet's excellent ExplorerPatcher in order to make Windows Taskbar actually usable (like previous versions of Windows) and not a complete piece of useless trash (MacOS clone, who the F using Windows wants their PC to look like a cheap ass MacOS clone?). There's an annoying bug that happens with maximized windows and having a vertical taskbar on a secondary monitor, but I can live with that in order to have an actual usable taskbar.

Now I'm doddling along trying to get work done and Explorer won't remember that I don't want the most useless and anti-productivity feature ever created for a file explorer "Group By". I turn it off "Group By: None". It random re-enables that piece of crap. Turn it off. Randomly reapplies it. Rinse and repeat until I get tired of it and just assume that it's either broken or MS just wants to punish people.

So now I have to download another 3rd party app, WinSetView to attempt to permanently disable "Group By:".

Now, of course, I'm wonder what other idiotic removal of customization that Microsoft thought was a great idea for the PROFESSIONAL version of Windows. I can understand removing choice for consumers that don't know what they are doing in the base consumer version, but the goddamn PRO version?

AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH. Someone bring back Ballmer ... PLEASE. At least Windows worked well when he was in charge and was aligned in such a way such that you could actually configure it to help you get work done more efficiently with it rather than Windows 11 trying so hard to make it so that you can't get work done efficiently.

/end rant...

Regards,
SB

 

[orangpelupa]

yes, the "group by" bug has been there for eons, i no longer consider it as a bug but as an annoying feature.

like how the taskbar is broken AF (cant drag stuff to taskbar to switch windows, etc) and turns out it was not a bug, but annoying feature

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

I switched from KDE Neon to Dogshit 11 because I got tired of all the small little issues that make KDE a pain in the ass to use on a daily basis (seriously? mouse cursors jumping and disappearing at random? Firefox close button not exactly at the top right?) but my fucking god can somebody take the MS UI/UX team outside and remove them from the gene pool?

No. Fucking. Ungroup. Option. Whoever OK'ed deserves nothing but the absolute worst.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

I switched from KDE Neon to Dogshit 11 because I got tired of all the small little issues that make KDE a pain in the ass to use on a daily basis (seriously? mouse cursors jumping and disappearing at random? Firefox close button not exactly at the top right?) but my fucking god can somebody take the MS UI/UX team outside and remove them from the gene pool?

No. Fucking. Ungroup. Option. Whoever OK'ed deserves nothing but the absolute worst.

If you mean ungrouping of icons on the taskbar this will do that and much much more.

GitHub - valinet/ExplorerPatcher: This project aims to enhance the working environment on Windows

This project aims to enhance the working environment on Windows - GitHub - valinet/ExplorerPatcher: This project aims to enhance the working environment on Windows

github.com

I wouldn't be able to use Windows 11 without it. And agreed, the modern Windows UI/UX team are just AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH. It's like they lost their mind and totally forgot that professionals also use Windows and it's not just consumers checking e-mail that are using Windows.

Regards,
SB

 

[orangpelupa]

it's not just consumers checking e-mail

And not sending attachments. And not for touch devices.

In w11, I can't drag files from explorer to chrome icon on Taskbar and drop it to the email window.

Need to alt tab to do that

 

[Cyan]

Windows 11 build 22621.1105 has arrived and it brings some pretty cool stuff like OS-level real-time subtitles, Smart App Control, and optimization for windowed and borderless windowed games.

January 10, 2023—KB5022303 (OS Build 22621.1105) - Microsoft Support

support.microsoft.com

edit: tried Alien Isolation. No need to use SpecialK anymore to have HDR enabled, now Auto HDR works with the game.

 

[hoom]

We got updated to Win11 at work.

No ability to disable window grouping on taskbar ugh.
I've been progressively disabling that on our hundreds of servers since its on by default for some godawful reason, now I have to actually have it on my desktop.
It literally means twice as many clicks to switch windows as ungrouped windows! And a pause for thumbnails to draw/eyes to strain & brain to figure out which of the similar looking little File Explorer thumbnails is the one I want & then click.
Over a year its probably going to waste me hours cumulatively


Something I hadn't noticed before but really seals the deal on them slavishly copying Apple is the fact the taskbar icons do a little bounce when you open a new program. Just... aaargh.


Not all bad though, some stuff is at least not significantly wors or even an improvement.

 

[orangpelupa]

We got updated to Win11 at work.

No ability to disable window grouping on taskbar ugh.
I've been progressively disabling that on our hundreds of servers since its on by default for some godawful reason, now I have to actually have it on my desktop.
It literally means twice as many clicks to switch windows as ungrouped windows! And a pause for thumbnails to draw/eyes to strain & brain to figure out which of the similar looking little File Explorer thumbnails is the one I want & then click.
Over a year its probably going to waste me hours cumulatively


Something I hadn't noticed before but really seals the deal on them slavishly copying Apple is the fact the taskbar icons do a little bounce when you open a new program. Just... aaargh.


Not all bad though, some stuff is at least not significantly wors or even an improvement.

the thumbails instantly pops up right? no need to click.
and the thumbnails also have title bar.

the only good thing with that thumbnail feature is its ability to save "multi windows". so for example Explore A left pane, Chrome right pane, Explorer B full screen.

i can instantly switch from explorer B full screen to Explorer A/Chrome split.