Will revolution be released last?
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There was a good article some months back looking at Nintendo's use of franchises. I thought it was at GI.biz but I haven't found it there.
Basically it was saying that Nintendo's franchises attract Nintendo gamers, but alienate everyone else. A lack of new ideas means a lack of appeal. eg. The PS2 has several hack-n-slash RPGs in BGDA, DA2, and CON plus others. XB had DnD:Heroes along with BGDA. How many are there on GC? Because Nintendo won't release a Mario Dungeon Crawler, the genre's unrepresented.
Of course MS or Sony would use a franchise like Mario, but you wouldn't see it in every game, even appearing in third party games. Mario would be confined to Mario games and not pervasive to the entire platform.
Basically it was saying that Nintendo's franchises attract Nintendo gamers, but alienate everyone else. A lack of new ideas means a lack of appeal. eg. The PS2 has several hack-n-slash RPGs in BGDA, DA2, and CON plus others. XB had DnD:Heroes along with BGDA. How many are there on GC? Because Nintendo won't release a Mario Dungeon Crawler, the genre's unrepresented.
Of course MS or Sony would use a franchise like Mario, but you wouldn't see it in every game, even appearing in third party games. Mario would be confined to Mario games and not pervasive to the entire platform.
cybamerc said:
Well, GT is a sports game, so it gets milked like any other sports game.
Jak&Daxter was a trilogy, so it won't be milked anymore. And we won't be seeing RPGs, sports, racing games, dating sims, condoms with Jak in them. (maybe a kart game though).
Let's not bring 3. party titles into the discussion. It's a pretty bad example anyhow since BG
A is also out for GameCube.
Anyway, let's not confuse visual or brand identity with innovation. Is a game innovative or even just something fresh because it's not part of a franchise? Similarly why does reusing a franchise preclude innovation? This seems to be your argument.
A is also out for GameCube.Anyway, let's not confuse visual or brand identity with innovation. Is a game innovative or even just something fresh because it's not part of a franchise? Similarly why does reusing a franchise preclude innovation? This seems to be your argument.
PC-Engine said:I can't believe nobody here has a clue. Nintendo always releases in the FALL!! Got it? There are only two upcoming Falls for launch Fall 05 or Fall 06...it's not going to be Fall 05.
To my knowledge, the NES was released on July 15th, the SNES on November 21st, the N64 on June 23rd, and the Cube on September 14th.
Or do you mean just the US? In that case is was February for NES, September 1st for SNES, September 26th for the N64, and November 18th for the Cube. So while the US release has MORE symmetry...
At any rate, it would certainly be foolish for them to stick to something hell or high water if they need to respond to moves by Sony or Microsoft.
And hey people... can we actually talk about the damn TOPIC? I understand we break focus easily, but this one was quick by most standards.
Not to mention a pointless reiteration of the same forehead-banging we've seen on here before.cybamerc said:Let's not bring 3. party titles into the discussion. It's a pretty bad example anyhow since BG
Anyway, let's not confuse visual or brand identity with innovation. Is a game innovative or even just something fresh because it's not part of a franchise? Similarly why does reusing a franchise preclude innovation? This seems to be your argument.
Yeah i'm not sure how BGDA made it to the thread, but i think the guy meant that there are just not enough titles liek that on GC, which is a problem with the limited library of the platform, another problem altogether.
All i'm saying is that i don't think it would be very hard, especially for Nintendo, to create another character, ANY character, and develop that name, instead of incessantly use Mario over and over and over.
I'm sure everyone would be happy to see a completely NEW character from Nintendo that has nothing to do with the Mario or Zelda universes, it would certainly make them look like they're moving on.
london-boy said:
The fact is Nintendo and sony have different visions of what "milking" is.
Nintendo has no problem of having multiple times the same franchised games on the same platform as long as each game is in a different genre.
For Sony, or many publishers as well, milking relies on having the same (albeit slightly updated) game released 3 or 4 times for the same platform.
What do you prefer is just a matter of opinion.
cybamerc said:
Well we've been getting a new Fifa every year, smae for all the EA sports games.
GT in comparisons has had few iterations. They certainly went crazy with the Tokyo Prologue and whatever special editions, but really, i wouldn't say it's in a league of its own as if there were 18 games based on GT.
How many Pokemon and Mario games are there? :| If anything, bloody Pokemon is in a league of its own.
london-boy said:
but "everyone" will not buy it, that is the main problem of Nintendo. You constantly hear about need of new IP's, but those who sell are the same Zelda/Mario year after year.
Pikmin2 and Metroid Prime2 sales are not a good sign sent to Nintendo for future developments.
cybamerc said:
Is that all? well, kudos to them to have had a new idea in the last 20 years. :|
- Well, Mario Sunshine was basically just "a slightly updated" version of Mario64 on GC.wazoo said:
- Mario Kart on GC is just "a slightly updated" Mario Kart
- Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask was just "same albeit slightly updated game"
- Zelda Wind Waker, same game mechanisms as in OOT with just updated graphics and story.
- Pikmin II is just a slightly updated game of Pikmin.
- Metroid 2 (or whatwasit?) was just a slightly updated game of Metroid Prime
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cthellis42 said:PC-Engine said:I can't believe nobody here has a clue. Nintendo always releases in the FALL!! Got it? There are only two upcoming Falls for launch Fall 05 or Fall 06...it's not going to be Fall 05.
To my knowledge, the NES was released on July 15th, the SNES on November 21st, the N64 on June 23rd, and the Cube on September 14th.
Or do you mean just the US? In that case is was February for NES, September 1st for SNES, September 26th for the N64, and November 18th for the Cube. So while the US release has MORE symmetry...
At any rate, it would certainly be foolish for them to stick to something hell or high water if they need to respond to moves by Sony or Microsoft..
Question though, why would Nintendo want to release Revolution in the Summer??? It makes no sense at all not to mention times have changed ie competition has changed.
I dunno... Why wouldn't they??? They haven't actually released scheduling information and have kept everything very close at hand, so how do we know what kind of schedule they're running? Maybe they'll go completely insane and follow their alternating seasonal Japanese releases, only this time without much of a delay for the other markets.PC-Engine said:
Crazy, I know... Crazy like a fox!
wazoo said:
That's my point.
Right. So every other factor to consider is entirely foolish. All consoles entirely doomed for considering any other dates, and their business managers should be eaten by sharks.PC-Engine said:
cthellis42 said:
Sharks deserve better meat.
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