thatdude90210
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Yeah but the PS2 was just a fad.
Here's an interesting article at CNN about Wii demand still outpacing the supply... almost 7 months after launch. Looking at that, I predict the Wii to be this Xmas' "It" toy again.
Wii outsells PS3 6 to 1 in Japan in June, 5 to 1 in May, 4 to 1 in April
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Here's an interesting article at CNN about Wii demand still outpacing the supply... almost 7 months after launch. Looking at that, I predict the Wii to be this Xmas' "It" toy again.
Ya I think I realized that after reading some of the replies. One of the telling things is that most of the posters seem to own both a Wii and a 360, which doesn't really fall into the 'casual user' demographic. They already have a 360 so they are already a potential 'sale' for us as it were.
I was more interested in the people that own only a Wii. They won't be reading beyond3d thats for sure, but I was hoping that some of the people here knew of such people and what their buying habits were. The Wii only people I know of at work fall into the stereotypical expectations, they don't play much and they don't buy much. But maybe thats a freak case. It would be interesting to compare.
inefficient
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Amen
If you want real numbers, anecdotes won't get them. The last set of TRST numbers I saw attach rate was better than I would have expected, but that was early this year.
This is why the Wii gets tons of unjustified hate here. It seems both Xbox 360 and PS3 fanboys agree, the Wii sucks because its not as "powerful".
N64 4 life! Represent!
NovemberMike
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N64 4 life! Represent!
I have a friend that has an N64 connected to a system that cost him something like 10 grand. Makes me shudder everytime I see it...
Between my family and friends, we own more Wii consoles than 360. However we own more 360 games than Wii games.
Play habits:
Wii -
We usually bring the game over someone house with our Wiimotes, so we don't need to buy as many games. Mainly sport games and fighting games...so sharing the same screen isn't an issue.
360 -
Some games we would own multiple to play together. Even though some games support split screen, we rather play on full screen than split screen. However, for unexpected session, we make due with split screen (which is the majority of the time).
Unfortunately, nobody has a PS3. One of my friend was tempted to buy a PS3 as BR player. However, after playing Gears of War on a friend's 360, he got a 360 and a HD-DVD add-on for himself.
Future purchases
Wii - currently not planning to buy any new games, mainly because I don't know what's coming out. Not enough ads on TV for Wii games. There're a lot of Wii commericals, but for the console not games.
360 - due to my lack of time, I have not purchase any games lately. I probably will pick up Dirt (as soon as I pick-up a wheel). Forza 2 isn't my cup of tea. Might pick up Darkness. However will pick up as soon as they're available CoD4, Halo3, BD, Mass Effectl and Bioshock.
This is why the Wii gets tons of unjustified hate here. It seems both Xbox 360 and PS3 fanboys agree, the Wii sucks because its not as "powerful".
i do not know about the "hate" part but i feel like it's only natural that tech aficionados & harcore gamers are not that thrilled with a product that is targeted toward casual gamer/ non-gamer (as their blue ocean strategy dictates).
tongue_of_colicab
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As if the wii isnt capable of ''hardcore'' games because nintendo aims to build a machine which the whole family can enjoy. Sony did exactly the same with psx and ps2, try to build a machine to appeal beyond the die hard gamer and I never ever heard somebody complain about what sony did. No everybody was happy that sony broadend the market. And now that nintendo does it (succesfully) some people just cant seem to swallow that, for some reason they just dislike nintendo.
Whats even worse is that the arguments that are used arnt even true, like there are only party games (I can count only 4) and the gfx are always n64 (If you complain about RE4 you are just looking for something to complain about, and that is only a gc game).
But playing the same games as 10 years ago only now in 1080p and with physics and better AI apparently is something what some people love. I personally dont care so much anymore about gfx. Yes ps3 and x360 games look awsome, but after playing for 15 minutes I dont mind the gfx anymore anyway and are just looking to be entertained.
This is why the Wii gets tons of unjustified hate here. It seems both Xbox 360 and PS3 fanboys agree, the Wii sucks because its not as "powerful".
Well, I wouldn't call it "unjustified". We are graphics freaks, we always want the newest video cards and the latest benchmarks and tech demos, etc. It's natural that most here are unable to appreciate or properly acknowledge the Wii's other virtues.
And IMO it does have many besides the controller. For instance, it's small and quiet. I've noticed I'm becoming more and more annoyed at the power requirements and blower sizes of today's video cards and CPUs so I do value what Nintendo accomplished with the Wii in this regard. As a PC gamer, for me Nintendo also has lots more games (and of better quality) that I'll never be able to play on the PC while most xbox/PS games might be exclusive for some time but will eventually be ported. I still play Mario Kart on a SNES emulator because that game is still as addictive as when I first put in the cartridge 15 years ago (damn, I feel old now
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That's because Sony didn't employ 5 year old tech in their brand new consoles! They moved technology forwards (along with others - technology was moving forwards and they went with it) and reached out to attract new audiences. There were no down sides (other than the marketing which by accounts was way over the top!). If Nintendo had combined the Wii control interface with some new technology, there'd be no complaints. It also be nice if Wii had a stronger showing of conventional games. At the moment a lot of it's momentum comes from party games, which is great for those that want that, and kudos to Nintendo for reaching that market, but which leaves conventional gamers somewhat in the lurch. But even with conventional games, the experience as be as good as the other machines. Sony have landed themselves an exclusive from Quantic Dreams, which is all about trying to capture emotion through natural, facial animations and effects. Heavenly Sword and MGS4 are going for the same thing. They're trying to get a better emotional experience going on by using virtual actors. The couldn't achieve the same effect on PS2 or GC because the hardware's not up to it.
That's where the disappointments and Nintendo 'hate' (bad choice of words) comes from. Prior to Wii's release, when it was still the Revolution, there was speculation on what they could add. Better CPUs and GPUs than they chose. It wouldn't have cost Nintendo much to greatly improve the hardware, and they could have provided a better experience all round. They chose not to. They chose to target the new market with highly profitable hardware, and leave out the hardware that could also, on top of, in addition to the new market appeal through the Wiimote, have had much more appeal with the conventional gamers and people who care about the stuff casuals don't.
Like a film that could be great but turns out mediocre, even if people go to watch it in their droves, if your disappointed with a wasted opportunity, you'll 'hate' the movie no matter its success.
tongue_of_colicab
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And we all know that would just end up in failure again not to mention that people would just find something else to complain about. Remember GC? fast, cheap and people killed it by screaming that it was kiddy all the time.
This is one of those standard arguments which just is not true. Lets count the party games. Sports, warioware, rayman and marioparty. Now lets count the conventional games, i'll stick with the ones that dont suck ass. Godfather, zelda, red steel (yes its not crap), RE4, Scarface, exite truck, SSX, DBZ and harry potter to name a few.
And that isnt the case? MP games like madden, godfather and harry potter are regarded best on Wii even though it lacks all your emotional virtual actor power. Because the wii is less capable of those things doesnt mean it suddenly cant attach the player emotional. If you want to do that you need alot more than realitic facial animations. Having a story and character development that actually appeals to the player is alot more important and that isnt bound by power.
I totally agree with you on this. However if you look at it from nintendo's pov its not hard to understand why they did it.
However the Wii isnt a mediocore machine I think. Ofcourse the gfx arnt as good as ps3 and x360 but that doesnt mean they suck ass either.
RE4 is on the GC, Zelda also. Red Steel is average at best. The other games you provided fall in the same category.
It is a matter of both power and global orientation. As long as the party games and anecdotal ports keep selling, why would anyone bother getting a deep experience.
To get a lot of profit, obviously.
GFX, Sound, Physics...It's a last gen machine. The problem is that I don't see any game that really pushes the envelope on the "gameplay" side, the one that should have brouoght a revolution. All the games I've played that exist on other plateforms as well are a pain in the a** when played via the Wii-mote. Revolution will be on the software side of things, obviously. I hope E3 will change my view...but I doubt it...
tongue_of_colicab
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And alot of x360 and ps3 are MP too so whats your point?
Because better games have better selling potential? its not like every wii games sells. I believe Far cry pretty much didnt sell anything because its rubbish.
Ofcourse, and to not get involved into the power story which they would have if they upped the specs.
Well what did you expect after 7 months? We know almost everyone jumped on the wii bandwagon late so its going to take some time before you see Wii targeted games coming out.
Would you mind telling which games? as I played quite a few to and non of them had bad controlls. But you do need to spend some time getting the hang of it in some games.
archangelmorph
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& this is why your arguement screams of a complete inability to acknowledge the fact that the Wii's biggest weakness is the primary factor that many dislike the platform..
To be honest, & this is coming from someone whose been pretty unimpressed with the Wii since it's release, if nintendo would have spent that little bit extra to accommodate the extra horsepower one would expect to see from a modern console (whilst absorbing the extra cost; very possible at $249 whilst STILL maintaining profitability i'm sure..) then the Wii could have potentially destroyed all consumer mindshare left for the other two consoles in that it could have offered a similar experience for a significantly lower cost.. Sure they're doing well now but I'm pretty sure that even the tech-enthusiast/hardcore-gamer crowd would have taken to it (in the same numbers) with the same zeals as those currently flocking to the platform purely because of the novelties/gimmicks the console currently provides..
However Nintendo chose not to.. They chose to maximise profits whilst pushing [comparable to 10 yr old PC] tech into the hands on consumers who [most of them] probably don't fully understand yet just how limited the hardware under the hood actually is.. I'm sure in the next few years however when PS3 and Xbox360 games begin to REALLY shine with respect to the Wii's SD wares, they will though..
tongue_of_colicab
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Many dislike it? you mean here on the forum? I can understand why people here dont like it, I liked more power too however especially here i'd expect that people would be able to look beyond power and take a look at what is possible instead of focussing on everything that isnt possible.
I disagree. It would still be less powerfull than ps3 and x360 so nothing would change. Now people are complaining about 5 year old tech, if nintendo stuffed in better hardware people would have been complaining about 2 or 3 year old tech.
But how many tech enthusiast and fake hardcore (a real hardcore likes games because they are good, not because they have ubergfx) are there? given ps3 sales not alot. Like I said, I'd like more power too. But the system is what it is and in my opinion it defenitly isnt doing a worse job than ps3 or x360 because it lacks in power.
Again here comes the question i'd love to have a anwser on. How much people really care about gfx? Not alot I bet. Its not like the Wii is a NES, its perfectly capable of offering relative good and realistic gfx and not be a very limiting machine as the first 3d hardware was. There is a point at which your average consumer just doesnt care about better gfx anymore as it does little to non to them. Im sure that if you max the wii hardware, you get gfx that the far majority of the market would be happy with. Also I dont think the consumer cares what hardware he has as long as he is happy with what he has.
Limiting hardware never really seemed to be a problem in the past. The old atari kept selling good after new and relative much better hardware came out, xbox didnt beat ps2, people didnt left console gaming for pc gaming even though pc gaming untill maybe now has always had much better gfx and even now with the x360 out for 1.5 years and showing the power of HD for over a year people still buy Wii's by the masses while they know Wii gfx and know HD gfx so apparently it doesnt really matter to them.
People are enjoying the Wii. Maybe sales will taper off over time as the other systems come down in price, but it will still most likely be a success. I have one, and I think it's great. I've been playing games for 20+ years, and I used to always keep my PC up to date with the latest hardware, and I'd follow all of the technology, but recently I've given up, for the most part. The reward for spending all those hard earned dollars wasn't great. Consoles used to appeal to me, not because they were top of the line tech, but because they offered solid gaming experiences at affordable prices. The Xbox360 strayed a little out of that territory for me, and the PS3 went way out of my acceptable price range for a console. The Wii is old tech, but I don't really care. It's offered at least an affordable price and the opportunity for a slightly different take on gaming. That's coming from a longtime hardcore gamer. I knew quite a few others that feel the same way. There's a huge oldschool gaming demographic that loves retro titles that do not push technology. I think a lot of those people are intrigued by the Wii.
So why your anecdotal evidence might confirm or suggest otherwise.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16697
So according to Famitsu, the Wii has the highest attach rate since 1996. And for those wondering why its selling slower than the PS2 its due to Nintendo went with a worldwide launch unlike the PS2 which was sold only in Japan during those weeks (both being supply constrained).
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16697
So according to Famitsu, the Wii has the highest attach rate since 1996. And for those wondering why its selling slower than the PS2 its due to Nintendo went with a worldwide launch unlike the PS2 which was sold only in Japan during those weeks (both being supply constrained).
I think the popularity comes down to 2 factors. 1) Price 2) Wii-mote fascination. It's certainly not the game library that people are buying it for! Yikes. Maybe in a year or 2 that will change. I also think that a decent number of the people buying it are simply not interested in titles on the other machines. Or maybe that's a way to say they are disinterested in console culture as most of us know it. Women who would never touch a console seem to really like Wii Sports. That's certainly fascinating. Nintendo is finding a market that didn't exist before, IMO.
I do think Sony's only problem is price, and 360 is scraping that price barrier a bit as well. PS3 has a wicked amount of positive mind share behind it tho. I have friends who plan on buying one simply because it's not MS and they think Sony is on their side or something because PS1/2 were such successes. Even with that, the $600 price tag is pushing a huge amount of people away. Rather obviously, I think.
I do think Sony's only problem is price, and 360 is scraping that price barrier a bit as well. PS3 has a wicked amount of positive mind share behind it tho. I have friends who plan on buying one simply because it's not MS and they think Sony is on their side or something because PS1/2 were such successes. Even with that, the $600 price tag is pushing a huge amount of people away. Rather obviously, I think.
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