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mckmas8808 said:
That's a loaded question, but a question whose answer brings us full circle.
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That's a loaded question, but a question whose answer brings us full circle.
mckmas8808
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standing ovation said:That's a loaded question, but a question whose answer brings us full circle.
While I agree A.I. does need to get better, I still not conviced that graphics have been "topped" out. I play Madden 06 on 360 at BestBuy every week, while I love what I see I still can tell that we have a long way to go before graphics are topped out.
mckmas8808 said:
So you're THAT guy I've been seeing at the store playing Madden on the 360 all the time!
jk
Why don't you just pick one up already?Agreed graphics will improve drasticly gen after gen for probably the next 20+ years. But each gen it gets closer and closer to photorealistic and each gen it is a smaller and smaller difference.
example - fn3 looked great, It could look better, but wow. In hd, it is superb. How will fn6 look in comparison on xbox720/ps4? It won't be (that much) higher res, texture detail is already great, lighting is good. Honestly the biggest limiter on fn3 to me was animation/control/physics. I'd say it will be difficult for the screen graphics themselves to noticably leapfrog from 360 to 720 the same way the game jumped from xbox to 360.
Not that the Graphics wont improve! It will just be more difficult to show the same kind of leap that the title took going from xbox to xbox360.
RancidLunchmeat
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No it won't.
For starters, the games look nowhere close to being photorealistic.
Is that a game? Or is that a REAL live person on my screen?
I've never encountered a situation where it was even in doubt. Until that happens, I think all this talk is nonsense.
Secondly, even if the visual accuracy of models don't/can't significantly improve to blur the line between games and movies, any sort of environmental interaction would be considered 'looks' and those things certainly have vast amounts of improvement available.
For example, even if we stop looking at the football players in Madden 06, the field needs improvement, the stadium needs improvement, the crowd needs improvement. All of these things should interact with other features of the game.. such as finally getting realistic weather in the game. That will be reflected on the players, the field, the crowd , the stadium. That will be reflected in game play when in snow or mud, or passing/kicking through heavy winds. And those things would be reflected visually... the game would look improved because while the ball model might be the same, the flight of the ball will be represented more accurately due to these environmental interactions.
Tackling a player in muddy conditions might lead to digging up a nice hole in that part of the field, which would remain for the rest of the game and might cause other players to trip/fall in that spot of the field during future plays.
All these things are related to looks, related to graphics, and would make a huge difference in game play, and would be as visually a leap forward as any other generational leap.
For starters, the games look nowhere close to being photorealistic.
Is that a game? Or is that a REAL live person on my screen?
I've never encountered a situation where it was even in doubt. Until that happens, I think all this talk is nonsense.
Secondly, even if the visual accuracy of models don't/can't significantly improve to blur the line between games and movies, any sort of environmental interaction would be considered 'looks' and those things certainly have vast amounts of improvement available.
For example, even if we stop looking at the football players in Madden 06, the field needs improvement, the stadium needs improvement, the crowd needs improvement. All of these things should interact with other features of the game.. such as finally getting realistic weather in the game. That will be reflected on the players, the field, the crowd , the stadium. That will be reflected in game play when in snow or mud, or passing/kicking through heavy winds. And those things would be reflected visually... the game would look improved because while the ball model might be the same, the flight of the ball will be represented more accurately due to these environmental interactions.
Tackling a player in muddy conditions might lead to digging up a nice hole in that part of the field, which would remain for the rest of the game and might cause other players to trip/fall in that spot of the field during future plays.
All these things are related to looks, related to graphics, and would make a huge difference in game play, and would be as visually a leap forward as any other generational leap.
RancidLunchmeat said:
Agreed we have a long way to go, but as I mentioned in my previous post, I was refering to the difference in screenshots or full screen graphics rendered at once. Not animation/physics/gameplay(interaction). Showing someone a screenshot from the last version of FN on 360/ps3 vs a next gen (720/ps4) screen shot will be difficult to provide the same "wow factor" as the jump from the xbox to xbox360 versions.
How badly do we need it? Do we need it badly enough to pay $75 for a game? $150? 300? Do we need it badly enough that we see far fewer games released per year so that we can get our Madden and Gran Turismo updates?
I can tell you what seeing my running back trip over a divot in the field that I can't see because it still doesn't show up at 720p with the camera panned out is worth to me: $0.00
Seeing crowds where each person looks unique and they do things like buy hot dogs and gradually get sunburned over the course of the game is worth twice that much, though.
I can tell you what seeing my running back trip over a divot in the field that I can't see because it still doesn't show up at 720p with the camera panned out is worth to me: $0.00
Seeing crowds where each person looks unique and they do things like buy hot dogs and gradually get sunburned over the course of the game is worth twice that much, though.
mckmas8808
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TheChefO said:So you're THAT guy I've been seeing at the store playing Madden on the 360 all the time!
jk
Agreed graphics will improve drasticly gen after gen for probably the next 20+ years. But each gen it gets closer and closer to photorealistic and each gen it is a smaller and smaller difference.
example - fn3 looked great, It could look better, but wow. In hd, it is superb. How will fn6 look in comparison on xbox720/ps4? It won't be (that much) higher res, texture detail is already great, lighting is good. Honestly the biggest limiter on fn3 to me was animation/control/physics. I'd say it will be difficult for the screen graphics themselves to noticably leapfrog from 360 to 720 the same way the game jumped from xbox to 360.
Not that the Graphics wont improve! It will just be more difficult to show the same kind of leap that the title took going from xbox to xbox360.
You know how much the PS3 cost? These are the things that I will be buying this Holiday season...
1. 27-32" HDTV = $1000-$1200
2. PS3 = $600
3. Surround sound system = $250-$400
4. Two PS3 games = $120
That's at least $1970. I really can't buy a 360 and games if I wanted too. I mean there are other things in life to spend money on two. Just kudos to Sony for making me happy with my previous Playstation products. They get the benefit of the doubt.
mckmas8808
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TheChefO said:Possible alternate budget:
1. 27-32" HDTV = $1000-$1200
2. 360 core = $300 ($300 saved for later ...)
3. Surround sound system = $250-$400
4. Two 360 games = $120
5. 2007-2008 pickup ps3 $300
I like you style man, your funny. But sorry man I'm not going to miss out on Heavenly Sword and other 1st party games. Playstations have been great to me since 1997. Now if Sony messes up and doesn't deliver for some reason maybe I'll be a 360 owner in 2008.
mckmas8808 said:I like you style man, your funny. But sorry man I'm not going to miss out on Heavenly Sword and other 1st party games. Playstations have been great to me since 1997. Now if Sony messes up and doesn't deliver for some reason maybe I'll be a 360 owner in 2008.
Just tryin to look out for you brother!
I wouldn't want you to miss out on GoW this Christmas! oh ... alt budget #2...1. 27-32" HDTV = $1000-$1200
2. 360 core = $300 ($300 saved for later ...)
3. Surround sound system = $250-$400
4. Three 360 games = $120 ($50 GoW (ms title), $20 "Platinum" title, $20 "Platinum" title, $30 memcard
5. 2007-2008 pickup ps3 $300
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