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What Happened To Durango?
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Averagejoe
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Maybe those big wigs saw how Nintendo with basically last generation hardware and no console sold at a loss won this generation,maybe they saw how Mario Kart sold 40 million units on a hardware that it self was profitable.
Maybe they look back and clearly saw that power means nothing,and that for several generations the hardware most powerful wasn't really the most supported by people.
The 720 could very well sell PS2 numbers without been extremely powerful,look at it this way if the 720 is just as successful as the wii was not PS2 level just wii,on this hardware and charging for xbox live a fee MS will do a complete fortune.
MS did tons of cash this gen,sadly RROD and expensive hardware on launch eat 3 billions out of the profits,MS apparently is focus on fixing that.
Also is not like sony is putting dual 7970 or dual 680 equivalent,seeing how this GPU from AMD some times from one model to another just have 10 FPS difference from each other i would not be surprise to see that both were basically identical.
Averagejoe
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Neither Sony nor MS have started their marketing yet.
MS: Durango is capable of over 10 trillion calculations per second. Peak bandwidth is 170GB/S.
SONY: Orbis GPU rivals the AMD 8900 series, the system as a whole is 20x more powerful than the PS3.
So true...
Is funny Sony claimed 2TF for the PS3 the PS4 is 1.9 at best,MS claimed 1TF for the 360,and the 720 is 1.2..
I just can't wait for the next wave of over hype.
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Averagejoe
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One problem with this.
Developer are not fortune tellers,they can say oh Orbis would win and Orbis could very well end last,even while having betters spec (on paper and debatable) than the rest of the consoles.
In fact on early 2005 if you asked any one about who would win the generation,few would say MS and almost non would say Nintendo.
This is so true .... i can't wait to renew Gold Live , especially if they give me weak hardware
This is so true .... i can't wait to renew Gold Live , especially if they give me weak hardware
Well I'm expecting a "next gen" XBL, something like XBL1.0 (Xbox) to XBL2.0 (Xbox 360) jump.
Well , they can keep it ...not for me .
Unless it's free or goes with amazing hardware .
Well personally I don't think anything happened to Durango.
We heard noise of pretty underwhelming (from an enthusiast pov) specs for the system a long ago.
I think so that if something happens it to the ps4. I were hoping for Sony to have the cheap affordable "core" system to be on the safe side and to have a strategy that match their overall situation (/my take).
It turns out that MSFT may have got there found it self in a urge to differentiate with the easy answer being to give the sytem more grunt, ram /what not.
Rumors have moved from 2 to 4 GB of GDDR5 it is damned expansive. They had a big Soc to begin with (or grew it unknown).
I don't buy a single second that Sony can sell a ps4 with improved eye toy, the specs we heard, etc. for 399$ It is imo plain fan b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t.
399$ sounds reasonable for the bare system (pad+system+hdd).
On the other hand if there is nothing of significant proportion hidden in durango (I would be surprised there is), we are looking at something significantly cheaper.
As far as silicon is concerned the price of 4ggdr5 might alone the price of all the chips +mem in durango.
Now I just read on Eurogamer rumors about Sony missing this fall in Europe, I would bet that on the contrary of I was hoping: they don't have either cheap or easily mass producable, otherwise there would be no reasons to dely the EU launch (if it really happens that it).
TO me the kneejerk, looking at would could quiet a solid BOM is on SOny side. They indeed have started with a beefy soc and 2 of RAM (GDDR5 but I would bet on something else I will elaborate below *) to find out that whereas they would have an edge in processing power, the impressive advantage durango had in ram size (at least a x2) was extremely bothering.
Ultimately Sony in my view may have really well ended up between a rock and a hard place having to significantly increase its silicon budgets, mostly though ram.
* Plain hypothesis, Sony was OK with a pretty big chip but planned on having a relative low amount (2GB) of cheap ram (some form of DDR3), on an big interposer.
The tech could not meet the deadline. That had to shift first to 2GB of GDDR5 and then with Durango having 8GB of ram (for now we hear of a 3/5 split but it can change if MSFT decides that it has).
That makes quiet a difference if you plan in spending some RAM on a more solid OS. The difference between say 1.5GB and 5GB is massive.
Imo people get it wrong it Sony that changed its plan with imo pretty risky financial or pricing implications. It comes in line with some statement made in an interview by a exec (was the CTO), that you aim for the best but sometime some tech can't make it into the product.
I would bet interposer not being ready in time and that put a nasty shard in Sony feet, breaking the ceiling of their budget.
We heard noise of pretty underwhelming (from an enthusiast pov) specs for the system a long ago.
I think so that if something happens it to the ps4. I were hoping for Sony to have the cheap affordable "core" system to be on the safe side and to have a strategy that match their overall situation (/my take).
It turns out that MSFT may have got there found it self in a urge to differentiate with the easy answer being to give the sytem more grunt, ram /what not.
Rumors have moved from 2 to 4 GB of GDDR5 it is damned expansive. They had a big Soc to begin with (or grew it unknown).
I don't buy a single second that Sony can sell a ps4 with improved eye toy, the specs we heard, etc. for 399$ It is imo plain fan b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t.
399$ sounds reasonable for the bare system (pad+system+hdd).
On the other hand if there is nothing of significant proportion hidden in durango (I would be surprised there is), we are looking at something significantly cheaper.
As far as silicon is concerned the price of 4ggdr5 might alone the price of all the chips +mem in durango.
Now I just read on Eurogamer rumors about Sony missing this fall in Europe, I would bet that on the contrary of I was hoping: they don't have either cheap or easily mass producable, otherwise there would be no reasons to dely the EU launch (if it really happens that it).
TO me the kneejerk, looking at would could quiet a solid BOM is on SOny side. They indeed have started with a beefy soc and 2 of RAM (GDDR5 but I would bet on something else I will elaborate below *) to find out that whereas they would have an edge in processing power, the impressive advantage durango had in ram size (at least a x2) was extremely bothering.
Ultimately Sony in my view may have really well ended up between a rock and a hard place having to significantly increase its silicon budgets, mostly though ram.
* Plain hypothesis, Sony was OK with a pretty big chip but planned on having a relative low amount (2GB) of cheap ram (some form of DDR3), on an big interposer.
The tech could not meet the deadline. That had to shift first to 2GB of GDDR5 and then with Durango having 8GB of ram (for now we hear of a 3/5 split but it can change if MSFT decides that it has).
That makes quiet a difference if you plan in spending some RAM on a more solid OS. The difference between say 1.5GB and 5GB is massive.
Imo people get it wrong it Sony that changed its plan with imo pretty risky financial or pricing implications. It comes in line with some statement made in an interview by a exec (was the CTO), that you aim for the best but sometime some tech can't make it into the product.
I would bet interposer not being ready in time and that put a nasty shard in Sony feet, breaking the ceiling of their budget.
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`What ever happened to predictability ? The milk man , the paper boy , evening tv ... When did I get to living here? Somebody tell me please . This hwhole worlds confusing me.
Anyway Who knows what Durango or orbis really will be when they actually release.
Late in the development of the xbox 360 epic famously got MS to double the ram amount. Perhaps the strong leaks off orbis will have MS change plans. They may have multiple chip configurations that could be slotted in depending on their needs.
Maybe the Durango we hear of is the real one and they will be at a disadavantage all of next gen.
Who really cares at the end of the day. The pc side is so much more interesting. Who cares about another generation of sub 1080p games when we have multi monitor gaming or oculus rifts out in pc world?
Anyway Who knows what Durango or orbis really will be when they actually release.
Late in the development of the xbox 360 epic famously got MS to double the ram amount. Perhaps the strong leaks off orbis will have MS change plans. They may have multiple chip configurations that could be slotted in depending on their needs.
Maybe the Durango we hear of is the real one and they will be at a disadavantage all of next gen.
Who really cares at the end of the day. The pc side is so much more interesting. Who cares about another generation of sub 1080p games when we have multi monitor gaming or oculus rifts out in pc world?
I think reality happened. Honestly, Microsoft is still in the red from all of the money they've spent on the Xbox and Sony is quickly approaching being in the red after all of the black they made on the PS2. Simple fact is that you have to go all the way back to the SNES for the most "powerful" console of a generation to actually sell more units. It's not practical. It's not reasonable. It's also probably one of the reasons why Microsoft so quickly wanted to jump on the 360, because the Xbox with all of it's power did terrible sales numbers, barely beating the Gamecube (at least Nintendo still made money then).
Assuming any of the leaked specs are true, then it looks like Microsoft is clearly trying to position the next Xbox as a set top box play, a market which is definitely getting some action and showing signs of exploding in the future. And while we may not like it, the system which lets you rent movies, chat with your friends, and just happens to let you play games is going to sell far more units that teh SUPA AWESOME GAME CONSOLE 3000. Just look at smartphones vs. dedicated consoles for the results of how that went.
Regardless, both companies need to strongly look at how they'll handle the next transition 5 years from now because "doing another console" isn't that great of a solution. Surely that's why Sony bought Gaikai.
Assuming any of the leaked specs are true, then it looks like Microsoft is clearly trying to position the next Xbox as a set top box play, a market which is definitely getting some action and showing signs of exploding in the future. And while we may not like it, the system which lets you rent movies, chat with your friends, and just happens to let you play games is going to sell far more units that teh SUPA AWESOME GAME CONSOLE 3000. Just look at smartphones vs. dedicated consoles for the results of how that went.
Regardless, both companies need to strongly look at how they'll handle the next transition 5 years from now because "doing another console" isn't that great of a solution. Surely that's why Sony bought Gaikai.
Averagejoe
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This is so true .... i can't wait to renew Gold Live , especially if they give me weak hardware
So you pay for gold now,but would not for hardware 5 to 6 times more powerful?
That make sense.
Of course it makes sense ... after eight years i won't accept this "upgrade" . It's not enough for me and i don't like being taken for granted . They have to earn my support .
Thankfully it seems that i'll have better options
2006.
Very clearly, thats why Microsoft is creating more first party teams and developing games and new ips... come on, next Xbox will be a game console, just like PS4, the set-top box functions can be added to a special sku.
It's more likely that the actual "game playing" will be a special high-end SKU.
And a low power sku for set-top box, yes, maybe, but I don't think they will "focus" on set-top box for next xbox.
Inuhanyou
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I have to say, this thread is ridiculous before we even have concrete information.
Secondly, what does it matter really? You don't compare what devs can do with closed architecture when its financially feasible to put budgets behind projects, to PC games simply running in higher resolutions.
Indeed, the only people who are disappointed now, are the people in the enthusiast market who don't realize that what we are getting is actually a very good upgrade compared to what devs are working with now in consoles(even more so in Orbis's case).
I think they will both be very good systems and what devs will be able to pull out of them will look positively unreal(especially for those of us who have been very impressed with how far this gen has come in terms of visual advancement).
What i find most appealing is that these console manufacturers are managing to give us a decent upgrade in processing power while making sure not to go crazy and break the bank like last time. Even modest components today will make a huge impact to game design next gen.
You can argue that these consoles are what we should have gotten in 2010, but relatively speaking, the fact that hardware has advanced to this point in 3 years doesn't diminish the potential even the mid range hardware Durango and Orbis will bring to the table.
Secondly, what does it matter really? You don't compare what devs can do with closed architecture when its financially feasible to put budgets behind projects, to PC games simply running in higher resolutions.
Indeed, the only people who are disappointed now, are the people in the enthusiast market who don't realize that what we are getting is actually a very good upgrade compared to what devs are working with now in consoles(even more so in Orbis's case).
I think they will both be very good systems and what devs will be able to pull out of them will look positively unreal(especially for those of us who have been very impressed with how far this gen has come in terms of visual advancement).
What i find most appealing is that these console manufacturers are managing to give us a decent upgrade in processing power while making sure not to go crazy and break the bank like last time. Even modest components today will make a huge impact to game design next gen.
You can argue that these consoles are what we should have gotten in 2010, but relatively speaking, the fact that hardware has advanced to this point in 3 years doesn't diminish the potential even the mid range hardware Durango and Orbis will bring to the table.
I think what people are really fearful about is potentially waiting another 8 more years until 2021 to get new hardware again. Super long generations make people stir crazy because they see what PC hardware can provide.
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