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@Grall:
Have you ever thought about how immense the financial interests are behind current solutions, and that if a change to alternative energy sources comes, huge amount of those petrol companies will go bankrupt. Have you ever thought about the fact that those companies protect their interests by multiple "wars for petrol"?
If not, and if you have to argue even about this, then please.... go somewhere, think deeply and come again. And first of all, remove your bias and open yourself to the world.
Just several hundred years ago in the dark middle ages people were burnt to death on balefires for telling the truth or having alternative ideas which weren't of the interests of the powers.
You are doing the same... but in lighter form. Shame on you.
Have you ever thought about how immense the financial interests are behind current solutions, and that if a change to alternative energy sources comes, huge amount of those petrol companies will go bankrupt. Have you ever thought about the fact that those companies protect their interests by multiple "wars for petrol"?
If not, and if you have to argue even about this, then please.... go somewhere, think deeply and come again. And first of all, remove your bias and open yourself to the world.
Just several hundred years ago in the dark middle ages people were burnt to death on balefires for telling the truth or having alternative ideas which weren't of the interests of the powers.
You are doing the same... but in lighter form. Shame on you.
No they won't, because there's - of course - other uses for petroleum than just burning it in engines.
Anyway, this nebulous, oft-alledged "financial interest" of petrol companies is of course not enough to outweigh the massive financial interest of every other corp, org, private individuals as well as governments whom would happily burn the same four gallons of water
!: ) over and over, if it was only possible.There's no actual evidence that any war has ever been fought over petroleum, and no evidence that wars in any country where petroleum is extracted were fought on the behest, or instigation of petroleum corporations. That you maybe see it as self-evident doesn't actually make it so. People took a look at the surface of our world, saw that it looks pretty flat, and decided that it must thus be so.
Um, yeah, you're sure open to something, alright...
That's a strawman argument. Whatever reason people were burned to death in the middle ages has no bearing on accepting - or not, as the case may be - various conspiracy theories and nonsense today.Just several hundred years ago in the dark middle ages people were burnt to death on balefires for telling the truth or having alternative ideas which weren't of the interests of the powers.
You are doing the same... but in lighter form. Shame on you.
Yup. And, if these alternative energy sources were as amazing as the wingnuts claimed, then it would be very easy for a competing company to put out their own car which would rapidly come to dominate the industry, forcing the established companies to either get with the program or go out of business. And yet this never happens. It doesn't happen because the claims are complete crap.
But regardless, if you'd learn just a little bit of basic physics, you'd realize why these sorts of ideas are physically impossible.
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UniversalTruth
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If you are sticked with the limitations of basic physics, and that it cannot explain some Universe phenomenon. Basic physics is not enough, you need something special, and because basic physics is written by humans, you can't be sure if it is true either.
Not to mention that all those automotive manufacturers work in cooperation with each other and it is very difficult to find a different one. And even if there is, they would do everything to destroy it.
American scientists Sean Montgomery and Graham Smith came across an interesting information about Australian scientist Yull Brown, who worked on a new technology in California. They connected and visited him. Brown has created a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen with amazing properties, which have no scientific explanation. The scientist shared with his guests that in Ottawa there was a generator which produced the gas.
When such a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen burns and "explode", it actually doesn't explode like any other self-respecting explosive but... implodes. In the implosion it reduces its volume 24 times. Prof. Brown is able to utilise this unique reaction of implosive burning of the Brown gas for the operation of an implosion-vacuum car engine. It burns hydrogen oxidizing it in implosion with the oxygen of the Brown gas. This gas can be gotten cheaply from board elecrolyse generator for Brown gas. It is powered by the alternator of the car. In the implosive burning of Brown gas you can also receive conditions for sucking energy from the physical vacuum for people's good as mechanical work, heat or other magic transformations.
Car supplied with Brown gas
Brown gas generators produced in Korea
Not to mention that all those automotive manufacturers work in cooperation with each other and it is very difficult to find a different one. And even if there is, they would do everything to destroy it.
American scientists Sean Montgomery and Graham Smith came across an interesting information about Australian scientist Yull Brown, who worked on a new technology in California. They connected and visited him. Brown has created a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen with amazing properties, which have no scientific explanation. The scientist shared with his guests that in Ottawa there was a generator which produced the gas.
When such a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen burns and "explode", it actually doesn't explode like any other self-respecting explosive but... implodes. In the implosion it reduces its volume 24 times. Prof. Brown is able to utilise this unique reaction of implosive burning of the Brown gas for the operation of an implosion-vacuum car engine. It burns hydrogen oxidizing it in implosion with the oxygen of the Brown gas. This gas can be gotten cheaply from board elecrolyse generator for Brown gas. It is powered by the alternator of the car. In the implosive burning of Brown gas you can also receive conditions for sucking energy from the physical vacuum for people's good as mechanical work, heat or other magic transformations.
Car supplied with Brown gas
Brown gas generators produced in Korea
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Physics is not "written by humans". Textbooks on the subject typically are - at least on this planet! - but not the phenomenons covered by our human label of "physics" themselves.
Oh please. That's handwaving nonsense. You couldn't destroy an engine capable of running on plain water if you tried, there'd be too many people wanting to build them and use them to save money for themselves. I googled this Yull fellow, and it seems he lived unharassed until he died, having filed his (fraudulent, of course) patents a decade or more prior to his death. Doesn't sound like any oil corporations felt particularly threatened by that fellow.
That whole block of text is nothing short of pseudoscientific flatulence. Brown gas indeed! Pfft.
If this shit actually worked, and those Korean "brown gas" (lol!) generators actually exist, how come pyonyang and the rest of north korea is dark most of the time at nights? You don't see too many multinational oil corporations in north korea do you?!? Good ol' Kim Jong could have run his whole fucking country on "brown gas". (lol!) If it had actually worked, that is.
...But it doesn't.
I bet those "brown gas" generators are actually TIG welding equipment, portable compressors, pumps or somesuch. They could also be 100% non-functional mockups of course.
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http://www.hytechapps.com/
What Is Aquygen® gas?
Aquygen® gas, also commonly known as HHO, is an industrial gas invented by our Founder, Mr. Dennis J. Klein. Our patented gas generator converts ordinary water into a hydrogen/oxygen gas that, chemically, posses several very unique properties not typically found in other HHO gases.
HTA values the research and hard work of generations past, and strives to improve methods and materials that work to enhance existing technologies. Aquygen® gas supplements standard vehicle fuels such as gasoline and diesel, increasing BTUs while decreasing emissions. Aquygen® gas can also replace conventional soldering, brazing and cutting gases for use with standard equipment and techniques while producing superior results at less cost with no oxidation, no burn back, and minimal slag and, Aquygen® gas gives off no toxic fumes.
Aquygen® gas when burned as an additive to liquid and other solid and or gaseous fuels, substantially enhances performance allowing instantly for decreased fuel consumption and emissions.
Aquygen® gas requires no oxygen to burn.
But Aquygen® gas is more than the average industrial gas. We see a greater potential, beyond even the extraordinary results that already sets Aquygen® gas apart from other typical HHO gases. Driven by this broader vision, we have continued to develop new applications for Aquygen® gas, including U.S. Defense related applications, automotive applications and those for large scale commercial applications to be announced later.
Aquygen® gas qualifies as an alternative fuel!
HTA has recently completed an initial round of testing with a Ford F250 (diesel) and on-board system producing Aquygen® gas. Results from this testing can be seen:
Hydrogen Technology Application, Inc. (HTA) has completed an initial round of extensive road testing with a Ford F250 with a 7.3L diesel engine. In these tests, Aquygen® gas was added to the engine through one or more methods and in various amounts. HTA was able to show an increase in fuel economy with increasing amounts of Aquygen® gas with up to about a 21% increase in fuel economy for these initial tests. Some representative data is shown below.
http://www.hytechapps.com/F250.html
And also, other manufacturers:
http://www.azhydrogen.com/
http://www.watertorch.com/
http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/main_eng.htm
http://brownsgas.com/
http://www.oxy-hydrogen.com.tw/
http://www.oweld.com/
What Is Aquygen® gas?
Aquygen® gas, also commonly known as HHO, is an industrial gas invented by our Founder, Mr. Dennis J. Klein. Our patented gas generator converts ordinary water into a hydrogen/oxygen gas that, chemically, posses several very unique properties not typically found in other HHO gases.
HTA values the research and hard work of generations past, and strives to improve methods and materials that work to enhance existing technologies. Aquygen® gas supplements standard vehicle fuels such as gasoline and diesel, increasing BTUs while decreasing emissions. Aquygen® gas can also replace conventional soldering, brazing and cutting gases for use with standard equipment and techniques while producing superior results at less cost with no oxidation, no burn back, and minimal slag and, Aquygen® gas gives off no toxic fumes.
Aquygen® gas when burned as an additive to liquid and other solid and or gaseous fuels, substantially enhances performance allowing instantly for decreased fuel consumption and emissions.
Aquygen® gas requires no oxygen to burn.
But Aquygen® gas is more than the average industrial gas. We see a greater potential, beyond even the extraordinary results that already sets Aquygen® gas apart from other typical HHO gases. Driven by this broader vision, we have continued to develop new applications for Aquygen® gas, including U.S. Defense related applications, automotive applications and those for large scale commercial applications to be announced later.
Aquygen® gas qualifies as an alternative fuel!
HTA has recently completed an initial round of testing with a Ford F250 (diesel) and on-board system producing Aquygen® gas. Results from this testing can be seen:
Hydrogen Technology Application, Inc. (HTA) has completed an initial round of extensive road testing with a Ford F250 with a 7.3L diesel engine. In these tests, Aquygen® gas was added to the engine through one or more methods and in various amounts. HTA was able to show an increase in fuel economy with increasing amounts of Aquygen® gas with up to about a 21% increase in fuel economy for these initial tests. Some representative data is shown below.
http://www.hytechapps.com/F250.html
And also, other manufacturers:
http://www.azhydrogen.com/
http://www.watertorch.com/
http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/main_eng.htm
http://brownsgas.com/
http://www.oxy-hydrogen.com.tw/
http://www.oweld.com/
Oxyhydrogen is also often mentioned in conjunction with vehicles that claim to use water as a fuel. The most common and decisive counter-argument against producing this gas on board to use as a fuel or fuel additive is that the energy required to split water molecules exceeds the energy recouped by burning it. Additionally, the number of liters per minute of gas that can be produced for on-demand consumption through electrolysis is very small in comparison to the liters per minute consumed by an internal combustion engine.
An article in Popular Mechanics reports that Brown's gas can't even increase the miles per gallon (MPG) of your vehicle, and that the only real savings come from tampering with your engine,
In 2002, the firm Hydrogen Technology Applications patented an electrolyser design and trademarked the term "Aquygen" to refer to the hydrogen oxygen gas mixture produced by the device.Originally developed as an alternative to oxyacetylene welding, the company claimed to be able to run a vehicle exclusively on water, via the production of "Aquygen", and invoked an unproven state of matter called "magnegases" and a discredited theory about magnecules to explain their results. Company founder Dennis Klein claimed to be in negotiations with a major US auto manufacturer and that the US government wanted to produce Hummers that used his technology.[20]
At present, the company no longer claims it can run a car exclusively on water, and is instead marketing "Aquygen" production as a technique to increase fuel efficiency, thus making it Hydrogen fuel enhancement rather than a water-fuelled car.
An article in Popular Mechanics reports that Brown's gas can't even increase the miles per gallon (MPG) of your vehicle, and that the only real savings come from tampering with your engine,
In 2002, the firm Hydrogen Technology Applications patented an electrolyser design and trademarked the term "Aquygen" to refer to the hydrogen oxygen gas mixture produced by the device.Originally developed as an alternative to oxyacetylene welding, the company claimed to be able to run a vehicle exclusively on water, via the production of "Aquygen", and invoked an unproven state of matter called "magnegases" and a discredited theory about magnecules to explain their results. Company founder Dennis Klein claimed to be in negotiations with a major US auto manufacturer and that the US government wanted to produce Hummers that used his technology.[20]
At present, the company no longer claims it can run a car exclusively on water, and is instead marketing "Aquygen" production as a technique to increase fuel efficiency, thus making it Hydrogen fuel enhancement rather than a water-fuelled car.
Well, I'm not really disputing that they're producing some gas, or that the adjective "brown" might be a reasonable description for it. Just that this gas isn't magical, and can't be used to extract more energy than was used in generating it in the first place.
I'm afraid you simply don't believe, like our friend Universaltruth here...
Hehe, of course not!I'm afraid you simply don't believe, like our friend Universaltruth here...
Oh, and just to drive the point home, here is the list of things you have to believe to get to the conclusion that you can't extract more useful energy out of a system than was used in setting the system up in the first place:
1. Matter is made out of atoms.
2. The universe doesn't tend to explode (more pedantically, energy is conserved).
That's basically it. From these two assumptions, thermodynamics follows.
60 liters at atmosphere pressure, presumably? Temperature 20-25C? Well, doesn't really matter I'd say, that Brown guy was simply full of brown, literally.
...Damn. I'm so hungry for falafel in pita bread right now, there's this great falafel place just 5 mins of walking from where I live! I'd give so much brown gas for one of those right now, all warm and moist and yummy, in a hot bread that's crusty outside and all soft and nice inside, with garlic dressing and raw onion...
Lol. Sorry about that. Got a bit distracted there!
...Damn. I'm so hungry for falafel in pita bread right now, there's this great falafel place just 5 mins of walking from where I live! I'd give so much brown gas for one of those right now, all warm and moist and yummy, in a hot bread that's crusty outside and all soft and nice inside, with garlic dressing and raw onion...
Lol. Sorry about that. Got a bit distracted there!
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Those commodities are all in limited quanitities. When they finish, you'll sing another song.
Fallacial deferrence to authority - Tesla was a genius by any measure, he was also quite mad, especially towards the end of his life. His research into wirelessly transmitted power was largely a waste of time and resources. If there'd been any point to it, we'd all be using this tech by now. All it was good foor was interfering with radio transmissions and telegraph signals (read: wired power, and/or data transmissions.)
