Nvidia Blackwell (renamed from 5090) reviews

Albuquerque said:
Man, the launch of the 4070 Super was a boon for my tiny folding farm tho. I swiped two different cards which were open box returns for like 10-15% off, back when they weren't selling well because seemingly everyone hated that card for whatever reason. They're excellent PPD per watt and total PPD folding cards, especially for dollars per PPD after considering the discointed prices.

I'm kinda sorta hoping the 5070 that everyone seems to equally be unhappy with might end up being amazing folders as well, better than the 4070S, so I can sell those at a profit and buy the cheaper and hopefully better 5070 to replace them haha...
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It is hard to get excited about another 12GB card. The thing I want most in a refresh is an 18GB 5070 Super even if it's only nominally faster than the 5070. $600 would be a fair price for a card like that.

A 24GB 5070Ti/5080 would also be swell but IDK if I'd pay extra for it.
 
homerdog said:
I know availability always sucks at launch but you couldn't buy a 4070Ti Super or above for at least the last couple months either.
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With how 50 series is replacing 40 SKUs it is an expected move from Nvidia. In both wafers and perf/price there are no reasons to have both on sale at the same time so EOLing 40 SKUs well prior to 50 launch allowed them to get rid of the inventory which would probably have issues selling at its MSRPs otherwise. AMD may in fact be doing the same thing which could also be one reason for 9070 launch delay.
 
homerdog said:
It's funny that GPU prices are higher than ever and still in such high demand that you can't even have a chance to buy one for 2-6 weeks. I know availability always sucks at launch but you couldn't buy a 4070Ti Super or above for at least the last couple months either. Also can't buy a 7900XTX like wtf is this market.
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The market for $1,000+ graphic cards are miniscule. Both the 4080 and 4090 are less than 2% combined on Steam Hardware Survey. It's weird how much attention flagship graphic cards get when so few have them. I wouldn't exactly call that high demand but rather restricted supply.

It also highlights the issue with these new vendor specific "improvements" that really can only run at usable performance on the top-end of hardware. Things like real-time ray tracing and now MFG are just buzzword checkboxes on everything else than the ridiculous high-end market.

The majority of gamers have xx60 series graphic cards, be it 1060, 2060, 3060, 4060 and their laptop variants.
 
People are reporting bricked RTX 5090s and RTX 5090Ds after installing drivers, only blank screen and card refuses to be recognized no matter even if you reset bios, rebuild the whole system, clean drivers with ddu and whatnot.
Manli suspects it's related to PCIe comaptibility
Der8auer also reports reviewers including him having issues with RTX 5080 using PCIe 5.0, reverting to 4.0 clears his problems (but doesn't help bricked cards)

www.techpowerup.com

Reports of Bricked NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 and RTX 5090D Surge

According to widespread user reports from Chinese tech forums and Reddit communities, multiple RTX 5090 and 5090D graphics cards are failing permanently after standard driver installation. The issue affects both the standard RTX 5090 and the export-modified 5090D variant released for the Chinese...
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wccftech.com

Lots of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs Are Getting Bricked, Possibly Due To Driver, BIOS or PCIe Issues

Users of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs face many issues, with some cards even getting bricked with the latest drivers.
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trinibwoy said:
The eBay listings are eye watering. Lots of 5090’s selling for $6000. One Astral sold for $12000. Scalper heaven. Imagine your $12000 card getting bricked by a driver update :D
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Unless things have changed I'm not sure if the buyer faces a risk here but the seller, which might be good news for people who don't like scalpers. The buyer would likely request a return due to item being defective/not as described. The seller can refuse the return but ebay buyer protection would side with the buyer and just claw back the money from the seller. Sellers setting policy to no returns accepted does not actually discharge them from this obligation.

Also some of those ebay sales I'm guessing aren't actaully legitimate.
 
arandomguy said:
Unless things have changed I'm not sure if the buyer faces a risk here but the seller, which might be good news for people who don't like scalpers. The buyer would likely request a return due to item being defective/not as described. The seller can refuse the return but ebay buyer protection would side with the buyer and just claw back the money from the seller. Sellers setting policy to no returns accepted does not actually discharge them from this obligation.

Also some of those ebay sales I'm guessing aren't actaully legitimate.
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There are a few fake listings but most of them are from reputable long term sellers. I’m going to assume most of the buyers aren’t scammers who would risk losing $6000 on an eBay dispute. Also if buyer scams were a common thing then scalpers wouldn’t be posting on eBay.

Remij said:
Well yea, they knew what they were going to do.. lmao. Give it another couple months and the price will go up another $200-300..
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If the price goes up and it still sells out then the price is too low.
 
Kaotik said:
(and who knows, maybe avoid bricked cards on driver update in the process)
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You fell for it.

Update Feb 4th (15:14 CET): Manli has acknowledged the reported issue, clarifying that it affects only a single graphics card. The company has shipped numerous units and, to date, has received just one report of this problem. According to Manli, the issue appears to be related to PCI Express configuration compatibility on certain motherboards.
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Potato Head said:
You fell for it.
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Manli isn't the only one, there are reports of bricked cards from other brands aswell as several reports, including those from reviewers, of strange black screen issues, crashes etc without card being bricked.
www.hardwareluxx.de

GeForce RTX 5090 und 5080: Berichte über Probleme mehren sich - Hardwareluxx

GeForce RTX 5090 und 5080: Berichte über Probleme mehren sich.
www.hardwareluxx.de www.hardwareluxx.de
wccftech.com

Lots of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs Are Getting Bricked, Possibly Due To Driver, BIOS or PCIe Issues

Users of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs face many issues, with some cards even getting bricked with the latest drivers.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
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Kaotik said:
Manli isn't the only one, there are reports of bricked cards from other brands aswell as several reports, including those from reviewers, of strange black screen issues, crashes etc without card being bricked.
www.hardwareluxx.de

GeForce RTX 5090 und 5080: Berichte über Probleme mehren sich - Hardwareluxx

GeForce RTX 5090 und 5080: Berichte über Probleme mehren sich.
www.hardwareluxx.de www.hardwareluxx.de
wccftech.com

Lots of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs Are Getting Bricked, Possibly Due To Driver, BIOS or PCIe Issues

Users of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs face many issues, with some cards even getting bricked with the latest drivers.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
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Stop posting content from clickbait rumor sites and then you will be taken seriously. Until then, there is one single confirmed report of a motherboard issue. Which btw is the videocardz link you posted again as proof.

WCCF as a source? Come on man, you’re smarter than that.
 
Potato Head said:
Stop posting content from clickbait rumor sites and then you will be taken seriously. Until then, there is one single confirmed report of a motherboard issue. Which btw is the videocardz link you posted again as proof.

WCCF as a source? Come on man, you’re smarter than that.
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Pretty rich calling Der8auer or HardwareLuxx "clickbait rumor sites"

VC & WCCF aren't as much of a sources themselves but rather they have several sources behind those links, easier than to post each individually.

Here's Tom's, probably "clickbait rumor site" too? https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...90-and-5080-cards-root-cause-to-be-determined
 
So, still, I see confirmation of a single bricked card.

I then see confirmation of a number of boards, firmwares, cards, etc in which some combination results in needing to configure the PCIe interface to something downlevel from v5 and then you're back in the running again.
 
MOD MODE:

I've spent the last five or so minutes moving all the parts/cards availability conversations to a new thread here: https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/nvidia-supply-chain-speculation.63952/

If you would like to talk about product scarcity, or paper launches, or evil NVIDIA plots to not sell you a 50-series card, please do it in that thread over there. This thread is for talking about the 5090 launch reviews, which should keep a tight orbit around the physical hardware, software, competitive landscape, features, flaws, drivers, the sorts of things that a reviewer with a sample in-hand would talk about.
 
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MOD MODE #2: I've renamed the thread so we can also chat about 5080's and all the other upcoming and inbound Broadwell chips. I figure we already had some 5080 content in here anyway, and I'm not sure we want six discrete threads for 5090 / 5080 / 5070 Ti / 5070 / 5060 Ti / 5060 / et al. I'm reasonably sure we can all play nicely in the same thead.
 
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