Universal Truths

English language should be used as a Unified Universal language spoken by all people by default, who have also the choice to speak whatever they want on a National level...

This separation in languages is a very unpleasant barrier given the fact that in countries like Spain, Germany, Italy, France people don't respect English language and don't want to speak it despite the fact they can...
 
I'ld settle for a universal powerpoint
OK 2 different voltages
but in the ones running 230-250 why such great varience in the plugs, kiwis ones esp suck )not as bad as the english though)
 
That's bizarre. Explain why this "should" be the case?

Having one language that is widely understood, spoken and written would be, and is, enormously useful. You have to pick one out of many human languages, so English is as good as any other.

That this choice of English was made out of a historical accident of two English speaking countries being superpowers in succession, colonialism etc. does not mean that de facto standardization on one language isn't enormously useful and productive, for everybody.
 
English language should be used as a Unified Universal language spoken by all people by default, who have also the choice to speak whatever they want on a National level...

This separation in languages is a very unpleasant barrier given the fact that in countries like Spain, Germany, Italy, France people don't respect English language and don't want to speak it despite the fact they can...

It is an unpleasant barrier but at the same time we have to be aware of the history, knowledge, freedom of expression allowed by and the evolution of each language and what will be lost as people use one language for practical reasons. My native language is Greek. But the widespread use of english has had a negative effect on my speaking and writing of my native language. I notice that this isnt just an isolated problem. Greek is a much richer language and more expressive than English especially if you also live in a territory where the dialect maintains closer roots to the ancient Greek. But we are gradually losing our roots
Edit: research also suggest that language has an effect on our perception and our brain development. Greek is a more complex language and has a greater vocabulary
 
It is an unpleasant barrier but at the same time we have to be aware of the history, knowledge, freedom of expression allowed by and the evolution of each language and what will be lost as people use one language for practical reasons. My native language is Greek. But the widespread use of english has had a negative effect on my speaking and writing of my native language. I notice that this isnt just an isolated problem. Greek is a much richer language and more expressive than English especially if you also live in a territory where the dialect maintains closer roots to the ancient Greek. But we are gradually losing our roots

... and you just proved that the idea is great.

For a Universal language you don't need an exotic small (by small I mean spoken in a relatively small society numbering just few million people) language which is richer but also much more sophisticated, and not so widely used as English. English language has all characteristics and is perhaps the only language out of the bigger ones which has the quality to unite.
As I said- you would still be free to use whatever you want on your National level if it is important to keep it like as it is and not change anything.

Do you realise that by moving to a single language, these tensions on subconsciousness level between nations, will fade away and this would be a big step forwards toward a united world.

History tends to repeat itself and if you are still aware about it, there is big chance there will be more future conflicts exactly because of this...

I realise the idea is very very ambitious and people are not ready now to adopt it but any discussions on this high level might be extremely helpful.
 
Having one language that is widely understood, spoken and written would be, and is, enormously useful. You have to pick one out of many human languages, so English is as good as any other.
Yes, you could certainly make the argument it would be useful, but english is certainly not as good as any other, due to the fact it's a mishmash of 4-5 different languages that has simmered and puttered together over the course of several hundred years. It has some wonky grammar issues, certainly some wonky spellings too and so on. If we're gonna pick a "universal" language (not truly, of course, just one for this planet only), then there are certainly better choices.

Going purely from the "100 billion flies live and thrive on shit, so should you" argument, english isn't even the most populous language on the planet, so anyone saying it should be picked as our choice is definitely displaying some inherent form of bias.
 
Yes, you could certainly make the argument it would be useful, but english is certainly not as good as any other, due to the fact it's a mishmash of 4-5 different languages that has simmered and puttered together over the course of several hundred years.

Being a superset of multiple languages is exactly why english would make a great common language. Generally english is more expressive than germanic or latin languages because it entertains concepts and expressions from all of those.

It has some wonky grammar issues, certainly some wonky spellings too and so on. If we're gonna pick a "universal" language (not truly, of course, just one for this planet only), then there are certainly better choices.

Wonky grammar ?

Nouns don't have gender; 'nuff said.

Going purely from the "100 billion flies live and thrive on shit, so should you" argument, english isn't even the most populous language on the planet, so anyone saying it should be picked as our choice is definitely displaying some inherent form of bias.

It's not the most populous language going by first and second language speakers. But it is the most populous language if you include people with english as a foreign language.

Also, a common lanuage really needs to be rooted in a phonetic alphabet (yes this is a big deal).

Also 2: ASCII

Cheers
 
Interestingly, I had always thought Grall was somewhere from the United States, but unfortunately I am so confused now after his bashing of English...

So, where is this La-la land?
 
Shouldn't we all be speaking Mandarin then?

Considering it is the most spoken language in the world.

Hell, there are more people speaking Spanish than English as well.

La-la Land is part of the Nordic countries ;)
 
... and you just proved that the idea is great.

For a Universal language you don't need an exotic small (by small I mean spoken in a relatively small society numbering just few million people) language which is richer but also much more sophisticated, and not so widely used as English. English language has all characteristics and is perhaps the only language out of the bigger ones which has the quality to unite.
As I said- you would still be free to use whatever you want on your National level if it is important to keep it like as it is and not change anything.

Do you realise that by moving to a single language, these tensions on subconsciousness level between nations, will fade away and this would be a big step forwards toward a united world.

History tends to repeat itself and if you are still aware about it, there is big chance there will be more future conflicts exactly because of this...

I realise the idea is very very ambitious and people are not ready now to adopt it but any discussions on this high level might be extremely helpful.

First of all you have to understand and be aware that any moment that you (like me) are not a perfect being and hence not a representative of universal truth, not a holder of perfect knowledge, some of your ideas might be wrong, and that at any moment that you express a "truth" there is an extremely high possibility that there is a layer of your self in it which makes this "truth" that you might be expressing as valuable as a "lie". If you are not aware of that you are not a light to yourself and you might be blocking other truths that you are not aware of yet from becoming a realization.
I provided you with a different perspective which shows the cost of using English in my consciousness, yet you are telling me that what I said is proof that it is good, I provided you with a perspective with which you have had no experience with, but I had, regarding the depth and value another language has in my consciousness. You indirectly called that language exotic and small yet, you dont know the roots of that language and how these roots have formed consciousness and its contribution in our societies today. Take a moment and consider that as a native Greek speaker I may be aware of something you are not. I have a perspective about English language that you may not have.
I by no means agree with nationalistic perceptions that create boundaries between countries. I do not agree with the way some people treat people from other nations due to nationalism. I am against national pride. I am a proponent of unity between people from different nationalities. I am actually trying to approach and meat people from different nations and share experience.
But at the same time I am trying to make you aware that the way the common language is used and projected, the choice of common language and the reasons of that choice are not ideal and is actually coming at a cost of our development in many subtle yet extremely significant levels. Often its not the action that produces the results (in this case the current application of English as a common language) but the purpose and motives behind that action. Almost none of us is aware or in complete control of the changes that happen in our consciousness and our transformations, so what you propose as a choice (speak English yet maintain our root characteristics) is not necessarily there. Take as an example my previous post where I talked from personal experience of the negative effects English has had in my development and my roots. This is not a choice of mine. I am swayed by the flow of the society which currently has its foundations on consumerism. I am losing important knowledge that is valuable to pass on to others. English is a big part of that
Ultimately I agree with the general idea of unity but the difference is that I share a perspective that you are not yet familiar with.
Ideally what I support is that all nations put behind nationalism, but protect the roots of their language and all knowledge of their culture and history, not out of pride, by out of preservation so that this knowledge can be shared between all nations and stand the test of time. That knowledge and diversification must be preserved and shared between people. But this is NOT what is happening at all. Knowledge is being corrupted, weakened and lost. The English language has brought to some extend people together and made easier the share of knowledge but has also worked greatly as an indirect invader to other nations' roots and culture with destructive effects to knowledge and expression because of its limitations as a language and its widespread use of as a mean of passing consumerism, promoting efficiency in consumption and promoting the interests of the native English speaking superpowers that use language to form ideas and behaviors for the rest of the world.
Note that I am not telling you that we should all stop speaking English and we should stay with our native languages. I am simply passing you a point of view you werent aware of
 
First of all you have to understand and be aware that any moment that you (like me) are not a perfect being and hence not a representative of universal truth, not a holder of perfect knowledge, some of your ideas might be wrong, and that at any moment that you express a "truth" there is an extremely high possibility that there is a layer of your self in it which makes this "truth" that you might be expressing as valuable as a "lie". If you are not aware of that you are not a light to yourself and you might be blocking other truths that you are not aware of yet from becoming a realization

I am actually quite surprised that you even think in such a way. This nickname was chosen because of my general likes and aims, even in some cases what I want to pursue and achieve, and has never been an indicator of any self descriptions like level of knowledge, etc, and in no way it means that the UniversalTruth is speaking... It is ridiculous what you typed...

And English is not my native language. In the same way I can say that my mother and father tongues are way better, richer, and more beautiful than your Greek, but I am not saying it, am I?
 
I am actually quite surprised that you even think in such a way. This nickname was chosen because of my general likes and aims, even in some cases what I want to pursue and achieve, and has never been an indicator of any self descriptions like level of knowledge, etc, and in no way it means that the UniversalTruth is speaking... It is ridiculous what you typed...

And English is not my native language. In the same way I can say that my mother and father tongues are way better, richer, and more beautiful than your Greek, but I am not saying it, am I?

Dont take it personally because you are losing the essence and the meaning of what I said. The point isnt about Greek being the best language ever. Its not. Its used as an example.
 
Dont take it personally because you are losing the essence and the meaning of what I said. The point isnt about Greek being the best language ever. Its not. Its used as an example.

What I understand is that you don't understand or simply don't want to accept the single fact that English language is the strongest language and thus the strongest candidate to be given this honour... Well, yes, some people from average or above average countries with relatively high confidence (like Germans, French, Spaniards, Swedish, Greeks, etc) may not agree because they tend to fight against it, but they need to accept it...
 
I dunno , everything in the usa is getting turned into Spanish . So maybe we shouldn't use English as the universal language
 
What I understand is that you don't understand or simply don't want to accept the single fact that English language is the strongest language and thus the strongest candidate to be given this honour... Well, yes, some people from average or above average countries with relatively high confidence (like Germans, French, Spaniards, Swedish, Greeks, etc) may not agree because they tend to fight against it, but they need to accept it...

No just no. What I said has nothing to do with confidence or pride. Dont force your fallacy about English language to others.
Based on you response you didnt even read carefully what I posted earlier. You are blocking yourself from other realities by ascosciating them with the wrong assumptions in order to satisfy your initial perception
 
No just no. What I said has nothing to do with confidence or pride. Dont force your fallacy about English language to others

English language is used widely enough even without me saying anything. What I am offering is to make this support even wider to those who don't respect the language, and if possible- official for all

Based on you response you didnt even read carefully what I posted earlier

Actually I read it, afterwards I was sick and tired because of your wall of text and bringing water from nine wells just to prove something and that something is that you should be against what I am saying- just because...

You are blocking yourself from other realities

Here you are right- I am blocking myself from other realites (including the current one) in order to protect myself because I deeply dislike what you guys mostly are doing with the World and its order.
Now hope you understand because this current order is not stable and is hurting me a lot. I feel discomfort and need changes.

And from now on I am leaving this conversation with you
 
English language is used widely enough even without me saying anything. What I am offering is to make this support even wider to those who don't respect the language, and if possible- official for all



Actually I read it, afterwards I was sick and tired because of your wall of text and bringing water from nine wells just to prove something and that something is that you should be against what I am saying- just because...



Here you are right- I am blocking myself from other realites (including the current one) in order to protect myself because I deeply dislike what you guys mostly are doing with the World and its order.
Now hope you understand because this current order is not stable and is hurting me a lot. I feel discomfort and need changes.

And from now on I am leaving this conversation with you

You dont know what I am doing or how I see things. You are making too many assumptions. You are proving exactly what I said earlier. You become too defensive trying to protect your credibility. So as a result you are identifying me with the wrong people and misinterpret what I am saying. In other words you are not allowing information you would otherwise find useful for your cause and you come in conflict with people that may be after the same change as you.

edit: I dont support this order either. Quite the contrary. I even have a personal amateur radio show with the purpose of awakening people and to make them seek beyond what they consider as a given in this world. This order which you speak of works in very many layers even under those layers that phenomenally appear to be against it. A good example of this is the bitter reality where they use religion to create conflict between muslims and christians while at the same time they try to ruin the essence of spirituality and acceptance in every religion by trying to establish a one world religion that appears phenomenally as a mean of unity while its real purpose is a mean of establishing global control of the masses. Hence people cant/ wont be able to make a distinction between a guided faith that enslaves them and true search of the soul that will free them from the illusion of this reality. The realities I speak of are those realities which you have to become aware of in order to be able to understand when you are on the right direction. Otherwise you will be on the path where you think it is the right one while you will actually be unaware that you are doing a favor of the reality that you dislike. I know that you may not understand what I am saying right now. But you will in the future
 
Yes, you could certainly make the argument it would be useful, but english is certainly not as good as any other, due to the fact it's a mishmash of 4-5 different languages that has simmered and puttered together over the course of several hundred years. It has some wonky grammar issues, certainly some wonky spellings too and so on. If we're gonna pick a "universal" language (not truly, of course, just one for this planet only), then there are certainly better choices.

Sure there are. I have no particular preference for English, just a preference that there be a language "universal enough" to aid communication.

Going purely from the "100 billion flies live and thrive on shit, so should you" argument, english isn't even the most populous language on the planet, so anyone saying it should be picked as our choice is definitely displaying some inherent form of bias.
I never made that argument.
 
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