It could explain why the game doesn't look 900p at times
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This implementation is gonna look crazy in 1080p just like infamous ss.
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End [PS4]
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This implementation is gonna look crazy in 1080p just like infamous ss.
I agree that this discussion should be kept in the appropriate topic, that's why i made a thread about remastered games instead here: https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...d-on-current-gen-consoles-or-pc-ps4-x1.57650/
Crysis comparison removed. A quick Google of Crysis images shows they're two very different games with a notably different aesthetic and no intelligent comparisons can be made between a brute-forced solution from 10 years ago and an advanced shader technique in operation now.
Anyone wanting to identify weaknesses in UC4's rendering needs to refer to more comparable material that actually, you know, looks the same. A little more humulity when they're making a bit of an ass of themselves also wouldn't go amiss.
2) It's a year old preview build.
You can't really use that in support of your view in response to Warchild that ND are spreading their rendering over several frames for 'front and centre' material. I believe we already discounted NX Gamer's analysis so why raise it here?
Anyone wanting to identify weaknesses in UC4's rendering needs to refer to more comparable material that actually, you know, looks the same. A little more humulity when they're making a bit of an ass of themselves also wouldn't go amiss.
1) That's not front and centre. My eyes were on Elena and I didn't even notice the issue until playing through several times, staring at Nate and then Elena, realised you were talking about the scenery.
2) It's a year old preview build.
You can't really use that in support of your view in response to Warchild that ND are spreading their rendering over several frames for 'front and centre' material. I believe we already discounted NX Gamer's analysis so why raise it here?
Oh by the way, i said i believe it's some sort of selective screen space lod without providing any examples. Sped up to like 200% to make it extremely obvious, footage from PSX (now in webms!):
Scene after changing camera position, notice left to Nadine: http://gfycat.com/OrganicCreepyIcterinewarbler
About 5 seconds later, notice the specular reflection and the guy & glass in the background: http://gfycat.com/WaryMindlessBass
If you noticed, main characters don't exhibit any issues or lod changing, that's why i believe it is selective. Screen space stuff should be obvious :smile:
You can see the entire scene here at 16:40, 17:26 for that specific example:
I think it's a smart use of resources, and can't be easily noticed during normal play.
Scene after changing camera position, notice left to Nadine: http://gfycat.com/OrganicCreepyIcterinewarbler
About 5 seconds later, notice the specular reflection and the guy & glass in the background: http://gfycat.com/WaryMindlessBass
If you noticed, main characters don't exhibit any issues or lod changing, that's why i believe it is selective. Screen space stuff should be obvious :smile:
You can see the entire scene here at 16:40, 17:26 for that specific example:
I think it's a smart use of resources, and can't be easily noticed during normal play.
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So what exactly are you defining as "comparable material" because apparently two photorealistic open, jungle settings aren't close enough.
But then again style is not even relevant since my reply to Clukos was about scope, specifically in regards to shadow rendering.
If that aspect of the game has changed since the preview build you can post evidence of it. Otherwise it's perfectly relevant.
Perhaps the claim "front and center" is exaggerated but the fact the effect is perfectly visible on close objects during a simple cutscene remains.
As for NX Gamer's claims, it's a good example of how easily misinformation is spread by fanboys.
Instead of a selective SS filter, perhaps ND artists simply apply less taxing temporal shaders to objects they consider less important than the main characters. That explains why in the E3 2015 shot with Elena some objects display the temporal effect while others not even though they're at the same distance from the camera.
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Maybe, but i still think it's done in screen space as you can see the guy changing lod only after Sully moves about.
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The discussion is ended here.
Like we need to be informed of that? Try holding a (on topic) discussion with the people in the room instead of someone who's not present. Especially in a game discussion thread instead of the NX Gamer thread etc.
Uncharted related easter egg in The Division: http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/the-division-uncharted-1.jpg
Uncharted related easter egg in The Division: http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/the-division-uncharted-1.jpg
The stolen painting:
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So, no definition of "comparable material" then. What a surprise.
I'm not holding a discussion with NX Gamer. I'm using NX Gamer's assessment of Uncharted 4 as a point of discussion in an Uncharted 4 thread
The stolen painting:
That was too easy
Two additional examples of lod from PSX (gfycat creates some very interesting url names
)http://gfycat.com/BronzeUnfinishedGrizzlybear
http://gfycat.com/SpanishAgitatedCrustacean
Both start from 1st frame after complete camera position change
Edit: More examples to support my hypothesis (goin' all scientific method
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Lights and specular highlights are easy to spot but same thing happens to the chair and buildings, stationary objects are rather easy to spot if you know what you're looking for. When objects are moving it's really hard to notice though. Oh and the images separately if anyone wants to check them:
http://abload.de/img/1uksys.jpg
http://abload.de/img/2suson.jpg
http://abload.de/img/3xosad.jpg
Witcher 3 and Umbra middleware related stuff
If memory doesn't fail me i think Witcher 3 did something similar, although a bit simpler? I can remember things popping in and out when camera changed positions in cutscenes specifically.
Edit: I remembered correctly and did some research, Witcher 3 is doing this
using Umbra 3 and this is probably why Witcher 3 is so reliant on mem bandwidth on PC (as seen in almost every DF video covering memory bandwidth), interesting.
Presentation by CDPR: http://twvideo01.ubm-us.net/o1/vault/GDC2014/Presentations/Bushnaief_Jasin_Solving_Visibility_In.pdf
Edit: I remembered correctly and did some research, Witcher 3 is doing this
using Umbra 3 and this is probably why Witcher 3 is so reliant on mem bandwidth on PC (as seen in almost every DF video covering memory bandwidth), interesting.
Presentation by CDPR: http://twvideo01.ubm-us.net/o1/vault/GDC2014/Presentations/Bushnaief_Jasin_Solving_Visibility_In.pdf
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http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/...atter-of-substance-presented-by-allegorithmic
http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/technical-art-culture-of-uncharted-4
Not sure if we actually get any info. Unless they make it public of course, which usually takes some time.
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Most of Naughty Dog's past post-mortems (available in the GDC Vault) came after each game's launch. I guess in part because it's easier to talk about a game that most of the audience have played/finished. Plus you don't need to worry about spoilers or leaks
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