Lead hardware make the difference, I never talking of developer failure however. I just to interest to know the possible reasons, not how console is better.
The Technology of GTA IV/RDR *Rage Engine*
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It may have been a landmark game, but it was never particularly attractive and it has framerate issues. The genre was so new that a game like it even EXISTING on console made it a landmark. And to be fair, I'm not sure if any other open-world engines were better tha GTA3's -- but that doesn't change the charming 'jank' that actually became part of the open-world genre.
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Yes, it's the original engine of the ps2.
I'm sure you're referring to inFamous.
Wasnt RDR started on ps3 as its exclusive?I doubt its a quicky port like FF13 and Bayonetta...
Hmm...didnt other GTA games used other engine and were developed by R* North.R* San Diego made RAGE engine,from what Im seeing now,while playing 360 version of RDR i would say they are quite a techy guys
Which would make RDR on the 360 an exception. GTA4 even on the 360 was better than the PS3 version by a longshot, but it wasn't the most stable experience -- and there was an actual texturing bug that only got fixed in the DLC (if it was even fixed at all).
allegedly PS3 version was developed synchronously with 360 version. not as a port...
and here is some earlier posted info on this engine.
I doubt it. I don't say it's a quickly port. Simply has been developed keep in mind the 360 hardware with GTA 4 & then the ps3 developing is started.
If you think about RAGE engine,no.Last gen R* used RenderWare engine for GTA games,RAGE is ground up engine made by R* SD for next gen consoles.Was introduced in 2005 at E3,Sonys conference.
Yes, FFXIII Gran Pulse is awesome too.
EDIT: Btw, GTA4 is also one of the reasons I don't believe in game reviews.
I dont understand that since it was started as ps3 exclusive,announced 2005.Then it became multiplat around 2008 i think.
I don't think I understand. It was better than everything that came before it, by a significant margin. Sure, the bar was low, but they raised it and set a standard.
I just have a problem with people saying Rockstar doesn't have great technical mindshare. The complexity involved in GTA4 or RDR, in my mind, would be monumental. There's so much more going on than just the visuals.
In 2005, I doubt they could get far in PS3 development. PS3 launched in 2006 with limited tool set and features.
Hmm...didnt other GTA games used other engine and were developed by R* North.R* San Diego made RAGE engine,from what Im seeing now,while playing 360 version of RDR i would say they are quite a techy guys
Formerly Angel Studios :smile:
Anyway, we're going back and forth without getting any real insight. It's not a secret that MS has been more involved with third parties than Sony, even with Japanese developers (Capcom did improve theirs gradually through various revisions..5 I think and LP2 is fairly close on both platforms). Is it really surprising that their engines run better on the 360?
There is obviously some ways around hurdles, but we really don't know why there is a performance discrepancy this time after 2 years. Perhaps it is as simple as Assurdum speculated with the heavy use of eDRAM.
Im not saying they did,im saying they started then as ps3 exclusive.And to be honest,some games like Mirrors Edge,Dantes Inferno...were MUCH less in development,were ported to ps3 and were pretty much on par,but i dont think we can call R* lazy or not techy because they delivered sub hd games on ps3,albeit they were best looking open world games when they came out(GTA IV now RDR).Maybe memory is problem,maybe RSX,maybe they did not use spus and never learned to use it despite making 4 games on ps3,maybe RAGE does not suit ps3 maybe...but fact remains,their games are quite something else in terms of requirements then other multiplats...
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. GTA4 has an incredibly complex ecosystem for a videogame.
Those ecosystem are AI and physics stuff, should be a piece of cake for the SPUs.
inFamous city is full of people too.
Perhaps because their needs are "quite something else in terms of requirements" that the implementations need to be even more err... different ?