GTA4 used A2C for a lot of transparencies...that should considerably lower the fillrate
The Technology of GTA IV/RDR *Rage Engine*
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Not seems to me especially on 360. On the ps3 use better AF if I remember correctly maybe I'm wrong, but A2C even..are you sure?
I can't exactly remember the PS3/360 ver. as I played them a long time ago...but I most certainly do think GTA4 PC had A2C . Just see these:
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Pic 3- see the topmost part of fences for clear signs
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What do you mean exactly? Yakuza 3 upscales to 1080p if you remove the 720p output.
I've seen nothing too excessive that would suggest that transparencies are really going to make this chug on PS3. Certainly no more than a game like Infamous.
Yakuza has 720p setting how standard in the xbml ... I haven't try to remove 720p but result pretty blurry...
Y3 has some additional post processing implemented in a weird way. Some environmental objects made look blurry (ground etc.) but once you switch to first person view, they look sharp, centered like an eye. For the record, the series is done internally but Bayonetta wasn't actually ported by Sega but by Nex Entertainment (formerly Nextech Corporation who handles games for Namco, Capcom and others).
http://www.nex-ent.co.jp/Product.html
Who knows what the case is with the RAGE engine, but I'm not sure if I'd blame the fill rate factor yet again. Seems like a popular reason to speculate.
Sure, I don't know how works the code...
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Too bad I missed all of this talk before the mods swept in - it's quite hilarious seeing as just how much stick Alan Wake got only a week or two ago for being 540p.
IIRC GTA4 on the PC got a full CPU core dedicated to Euphoria. Is one of the Xenon's cores dedicated to this in GTA4 and RDR? And what about the Cell BE, 2 SPEs probably?
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I still do think that a game would look much better if it ran at 960x540 when dealing with typical 42" screens, but that's just me. Like when I run PC games at home, my tv is 1080p but I'll drop the res of a game to 1280x720 if it means I can enable all graphical features, and I let the gpu hardware scale it up. I did that with the Just Cause 2 demo, to me it looks better at 720p with all features enabled compared to a paired down 1080p.But does RDR? Aside from (a2c still?) foliage, gunfire and setpiece explosions, which don't seem too out of the ordinary, what would make RDR so transparency intensive? Infamous still seems to me like a game that is very and more unpredictable transparency wise; all your powers are transparent, and range from small to screen covering effects, which have varying effects on the environment, and can cause large explosions and full res bouncing sparks, bloom and then additional light sources...
I really don't think the alpha argument is valid with RDR.
Though on another note, Midnight Club LA was using Rage engine, and was 960x720 on PS3. Perhaps 540p isn't too far fetched
I think the foliage in RDR are not A2C, I didn't noticed any artifacting. They are also doing volumetric lighting for sunlight & lamps at night time but I don't think it should make much difference.
And yes I agree in that Infamous is very unpredictable transparency wise, lot of time the screen is covered with multiple transparency effects.
And yes I agree in that Infamous is very unpredictable transparency wise, lot of time the screen is covered with multiple transparency effects.
Infamous benefits a lot from occlusion culling with the way the city was built, thus "allowing" for all those transparency effects.
We shouldn't just throw out lighting & pixel shading because you all have absolutely no idea what they are doing.
This screen says otherwise: http://images.gamersyde.com/image_red_dead_redemption-12822-1780_0013.jpg
A2C is simply an attempt to make use of MSAA with alpha textures to simulate alpha blend; you also avoid a costly back-to-front sorting of such objects. You're not saving fillrate really.
We shouldn't just throw out lighting & pixel shading because you all have absolutely no idea what they are doing.
This screen says otherwise: http://images.gamersyde.com/image_red_dead_redemption-12822-1780_0013.jpg
A2C is simply an attempt to make use of MSAA with alpha textures to simulate alpha blend; you also avoid a costly back-to-front sorting of such objects. You're not saving fillrate really.
Nah I really exclude 540p from the video.But does RDR? Aside from (a2c still?) foliage, gunfire and setpiece explosions, which don't seem too out of the ordinary, what would make RDR so transparency intensive? Infamous still seems to me like a game that is very and more unpredictable transparency wise; all your powers are transparent, and range from small to screen covering effects, which have varying effects on the environment, and can cause large explosions and full res bouncing sparks, bloom and then additional light sources...
I really don't think the alpha argument is valid with RDR.
Though on another note, Midnight Club LA was using Rage engine, and was 960x720 on PS3. Perhaps 540p isn't too far fetched
GTAIV has tons of coronas, lightsources, bouncing sparks (full world static + dynamic objects), pretty dense explosion/particle effects, soft particles, bloom and more. Now for a wild western game I could think they would add environmental dust cloud effect which aint cheap and perhaps distant heathaze effect.
How will gun fights affect scene? Wil lthere be smoke build ups like says Crysis when the firefight is on making scene 'hazy' due to arms smoke and dust thrown up?
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Haha, forgot about that one! Yes it's true my real name is Alan Wake, yeah that's it
But there is a threshold as to how low you can go before it gets to "messy". Even if it means more detail it wont really come to its rights.
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Has anyone actually confirmed improvements to the engine?
AlStrong just called 640 vertical for one of the PS3 shots, so it's probably the same resolution as GTA4. 360 res also seems to be the same, down to the amount of AA.
So... do we know anything has actually been improved in the graphics engine, or are people just speculating because the PS3's resolution might've been lower than GTA4's?
AlStrong just called 640 vertical for one of the PS3 shots, so it's probably the same resolution as GTA4. 360 res also seems to be the same, down to the amount of AA.
So... do we know anything has actually been improved in the graphics engine, or are people just speculating because the PS3's resolution might've been lower than GTA4's?