Yeah. RV610 is likely cheaper and possibly cooler than G86, while also maybe having a better video engine. And indeed, as you point out, 3D performance isn't a major concern for OEMs in the low-end parts of the market afaik. (note: we are obviously not under NDA for G86 or RV610 at this point, so this is only based on previously leaked information...)
The Official RV630/RV610 Rumours & Speculation Thread
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jimmyjames123
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From an OEM perspective, I would say in some sense it is a mixed bag to have a feature set on the very low end that is similar to the feature set on the highest end. Large OEM's like Dell like to charge a huge premium on high end graphics cards, and one way they can entice buyers to purchase these at a high additional price is to advertise extra features that are present on the high end cards.
That said, I can see why OEM's would be interested in these RV cards. In fact, AMD can bundle CPU and GPU's to come up with a more enticing offer for OEM's as opposed to having to do it all from separate sources.
That said, I can see why OEM's would be interested in these RV cards. In fact, AMD can bundle CPU and GPU's to come up with a more enticing offer for OEM's as opposed to having to do it all from separate sources.
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I think you forgetting at even these RV6xx cards are supposed to have HD Sound support. That could be a good reason why OEM like this solution, that and the 25/35W power consumption.
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HD sound via HDMI, and Xilleon inside too for good 1080p playback without relying on CPU (too much), it's quite a deal for OEM's.
And the only real option for HTPC's, no other card offers even close to the same atm besides the R6xx/RV6xx line, and R600 is probably too hot to sit inside that HTPC case, especially if it's old VCR or something you've built it into
What about G72 65nm ?
The previous 90nm version was already tiny, but the new 65nm one should be ultra-ultra... cheap, no ?
It still has a decent 3D desktop performance (AERO Glass) and video (Purevideo) acceleration, while power consumption and production costs should be excellent at this point.
What about G72 65nm ?
The previous 90nm version was already tiny, but the new 65nm one should be ultra-ultra... cheap, no ?
It still has a decent 3D desktop performance (AERO Glass) and video (Purevideo) acceleration, while power consumption and production costs should be excellent at this point.
IIRC it's nothing too good when it comes to H.264 (or VC-1) decoding, is it?
Also it doesn't offer the audio capability (without external audio card / chip which from you need to put cables to the G72 for the possible output of audio via HDMI
H.264 and MPEG-2 acceleration works perfectly in almost any G7x or NV4x.
VC-1, well, i don't know about that, because that video format is pretty much useless right now (yes, i'm aware many HD-DVD's and BD's have the stream encoded in that format, but how are they selling ?
)Also, how many OEM's will add a low-end, bottom of the barrel graphics card and then pair it with more than an onboard audio codec from Realtek, C-Media or ADI ?
Home Theater PC's sell very poorly next to el-cheapo Best Buy units or corporate desktops, for instance.
And of those HTPC's, almost none has an internal Blu-ray or HD-DVD drive due to their respective high-cost, incompatible with a low-end product.
I've seen a 128MB 6200 PCI-Express (NV43 based) playing the most recent POTC: At World's End 1080p H.264 trailer with a P4 3.0GHz without trouble. Is that good enough ?
NocturnDragon
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with CPU up to 95% all the time?
The names of RV630 and RV610 are now also known.
RV630 will be the Radeon HD 2600 (XT / Pro)
RV610 will be the Radeon HD 2400 (XT / Pro)
So that's where the 2400 rumors came from that I've been hearing about. But a few weeks ago it was assumed by some people I know that the RV630 was renamed to 2400.
RV630 will be the Radeon HD 2600 (XT / Pro)
RV610 will be the Radeon HD 2400 (XT / Pro)
So that's where the 2400 rumors came from that I've been hearing about. But a few weeks ago it was assumed by some people I know that the RV630 was renamed to 2400.
Not really, I just downloaded that particular trailer, 1080p H.264 in .MOV container, it's a mere 9350kbps, or 9Mbps which ever you prefer, video, even DVD specs allow higher video bitrate than that.
Heck, even the promo material by AMD/ATI says current solutions can handle up to 25Mbps, the bad part is that BluRay specs go up to 40Mbps for video, and HD-DVD up to 29.4Mbps.
Sound_Card
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The inq seems to think the HD 2600XT is going to give the 8600 a good one. Don't know how much that holds, but hey!!
The inq seems to think the HD 2600XT is going to give the 8600 a good one. Don't know how much that holds, but hey!!
Where is that written ?
The article they have right now on RV630 says nothing of the sort...
Sound_Card
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Shouldn't be that much different on the memory bandwidth front, as they can't get past the 128bit bus and 2~2.2GHz memory clock in either product.
Sound_Card
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what if the HD 2600XT had a 256bit bus? Sure, little less cost effective compared to a 128bit configuration of the 8600, but should even out with the HD 2600XT being 65nm? Maybe just a wet dream?
What if ATi is targeting x1950pro performance in all fronts? Bandwith, shader power, texture power etc? Considering the pricing of the x1950pro, It's hard to imagine a HD 2600XT comming out with a similar price and a 128bit config. I would think they would enjoy the same price advatage of a 80nm 256bit x1950pro with the HD 2600XT being 256bit 65nm.
By making the 2600 line up 256bit, I would think that would knock ATi up as a serious contender in the mid range department in which they have been hammered on by nvidia for the past two/three gens.
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Not a chance, unless they want to be at a price vs cost disadvantage in the near future.
128bit only, i guess.
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