blakjedi said:
Funny that your post is the 360th in this thread...
Agreed, that's funny.
Why you keep making this spurious link to CD-ROM I dont know. Get over it...! Or is DVD just slowed down CD-ROM with higher density?
The point is, the Dreamcast did well at launch with something based on CD-ROM tech (but with 2x the capacity), but by the time the PS2 came out it regretted this and worried about the DVD capacities of the PS2 (rightly so as we know).
Kind of cool though isn't it that the Dreamcast has been resurrected and taken back into production.
The law that Kolgar was attempting to expose was that in their position as #1 gaming platform why is Sony taking the leap into known failure territory? There is no reason to think that what worked for PS2 will work this time as their is no base to work from. Whereas people had been watching DVDs from anywhere between 2-4 years before PS2 released ther eis no such base or even demand for either Bluray or HD-DVD right now.
Not in Japan, where as I said LD was the main platform.
The price of the console puts it right up where 3DO and NeoGeo were which we know what happened to those.
That's a lie.
I dont fault Sony for trying but then again I am not arguing Kolgar's point for him. The difference here is you are arguing against a law which has already been broken (my self-titled "Law of Accesories"). In either case this law is neither as dangerous for MS as a console or as a corporation as PS3's "law." There is no reason to believeat this time that x360 will fail. If it did MS would just build another one - shrug.
I was not arguing against your law. I was doing the exact opposite. But either I cannot write, or you cannot read, or both. I've said, and will say, and keep on saying, that the market is more than big enough for Wii, 360, and PS3. I just disagree with people who think that BluRay isn't important for games. It is. I'm not saying that you won't get great games (in both meanings of the word) on the 360, nor am I saying that all games that use BluRay will be great, but I am saying that there will be a sizeable amount of good games that got even better because they used BluRay.
However if PS3's positioning does not garner it a profitable position in the next generation, notwithstanding huge sales of FFXIII and MGS4, Sony would probably be finished if not very weak... The company is riding on the PS3; for both movie division sales and game sales and as a semiconductor technology expose (ie Cell). Due care should be taken.
Of course they should take care. You really think they aren't?
Great! So 5 developers out of 2 or 3 thousand say they NEED bluray
And the games these people are responsible for are known to suck, right? And the Unreal Engine will be used by a lot of developers. One advantage of it is that it allows you to focus more on the Art in the game, on content, scripted events, and so on, without Programmer interaction. I.e., more data.
yet a proven company, known for expansive games with the most expansive game out on the market doesn't.
One company, which because it creates a big game on a DVD, is limited to doing things a certain way. They make the most of it, which I applaud them for. And stuff like SpeedTree are a great help too.
Sis' point is well taken here. Lets see what Bethesda says when they release Oblivion for PS3 in the fall. It will be interesting to see if they have more content on the disk because the media is larger or because they had more time than they did with the 360 version... remember they didn't fill 360's disk either... and they really could have as they had nearly as much space left as they used.
It is coming to PS3? I didn't know that.
Bandwidth, decompression, and texture management play a more important than media size in almost all cases. Good effective compression/decompression, efficient bandwidth use and texture/shader managements could make up at least partly for for those measly 7.5 dual layered single sided gigs the 360 has to play with dont you agree?
I definitely agree. But when you have the space of BluRay, you can choose not to and instead stream stuff.
Today I am just being a devils advocate because the whole console x v. console y things is boring... but it is great to debate peoples points on either side.
That's what I do in my mind, always. There is also no other reason for me not buying a 360 than simply not wanting one. I'm not ready for HDtv yet, and the 360 looks (very) disappointing on SDtvs right now. I think that around the end of this year, it will become a good time to go HDtv. Then we will see which console I will get along with that. I bought my previous TV to be able to play Gran Turismo 4 in Widescreen. Who knows Forza 2 will be the game to have this year (if my DF Pro works with it, hey who knows!), and that will convince me to get a 360 before I get a PS3. But the old Xbox was a real waste of my money. It very nearly wasn't though - if I could have plugged in the wheel, I'm certain I'd have used it more and it would have been worth having both the PS2 and Xbox.
In short, like you, I am open to both sides of the market. But right now, the PS3 looks a lot more appealing. I base this on what I see, and on what I know after 20 years of looking at consoles. I don't claim I am right. I just try to get the facts out.
EDIT - Wii's innovation and low price pose a greater threat to PS3 than anything MS has in its arsenal. If wii takes off especially in Japan, the real battleground will be between Sony and MS in Europe and AFAIK, thats Sony country!
The PS2s out there won't automatically vanish. The Wii has to compete with them also. But the Japanese they love their games, and Nintendo has been successful recently in expanding the market even more to 'non-gamers'.
I expect many Japanese gamers will get both the PS3 and the Wii. If, say, the 360 equals the PS3 in Europe and in the U.S., then the lack of support from Japanese developers may still very well tilt the balance in favor of the PS3 in the other two regions. Especially if the multi-platform games will always be better on the PS3. I preferred playing Prince of Persia on the Xbox for instance, because it had the harddrive and it looked better. Many people who bought an Xbox in Europe in the last years, bought one because it was better specced than the PS2. But that will now change in favor of the PS3. Thus the 360 will have to rely on superior content. I don't feel that it will pull this off, so I feel that the PS3 will be more successful than the 360. However, that doesn't mean the 360 won't be successful. It doesn't mean that the Wii won't be more successful than the PS3.
The only thing I care for is that the best system will win, because that's the system I would like to buy most, and from experience I know that it helps if lots of other people bought that same system.
