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Is there data that supports this? Just curious.
The Annual E3 Sony press conference thread, 2020 edition
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I'm not sure, this is just what I've observed with Twitch. I follow a mix of US and European streamers due to my eclectic sleep schedule (non-24 sleep disorder). They pay more attention to these things than I do.
I probably should have put that in there. Looking at it now, it does come across as more declarative than I intended.
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Since we're discussing Sony, it probably would be valid to use Sony's source for game analytics. I see there name as a listed client of theirs, so if we could only get someone to kick start an account and pass metrics via PMs
https://www.fancensus.com/
They don't provide pricing on the site, so this is entirely working with a sales rep to get through to their systems. Likely costly.
Thats interesting....I have the same impression....perhaps because there is a language barrier....it is always guaranteed that all my gamer friends will hear about E3, but in the other list I see events that none had an idea they existed
I don’t know about the media coverage but I find it funny that the 2019 Gamescom Hype thread has all of five posts but we are 4 pages deep about Sony being a no show for an event that still a half a year away.
And attendance is an irrelevant issue since e3 purposely limits access to the public.
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This is an interesting point that IGN discussed in one of their podcasts last year (either Beyond or GameScoop) and they noted that their, primarily North American, web hits were always higher for E3 than for Gamescom or TGS. Their speculation was that because fewer can go to E3, more people consume it online and somebody else conjectured it was just an American (not Canadian) cultural thing where American readers were less engaging in overseas events and the same was true of their GDC coverage which occurs in multiple continents, i.e US GDC coverage attracted more buzz than European or Asian events.
Surely they have to limit numbers by law because the convention centre is so small? I've been to Gamescom and it's staggeringly huge, easily four-to-five times the size of the LA convention centre - which I have also been to but not for E3.
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Something interesting and timely that I ran into today. The hosts of Dropped Frames discussed Sony again announcing that they would not be going to E3. And it was interesting to hear that all 3 hosts thought less of Sony for doing it but that it was likely in Sony's interests for doing it. They also brought up that the relationship between the ESA and Sony hasn't generally been good, so part of Sony not going could be just to spite the ESA.
Like me, they think of E3 as sort of a game news consumption holiday. Like me, they prefer to have a single day/week in the year when everyone releases game related information to make it easy to not only consume but keep track of gaming news.
They'd be just as happy if E3 disappeared as long as all publishers and console makers and developers agreed on another day/week of the year where everyone would release gaming related news. I don't see that ever happening again once E3 dies, however.
And that's from people whose job it is to entertain people by playing games.
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Like me, they think of E3 as sort of a game news consumption holiday. Like me, they prefer to have a single day/week in the year when everyone releases game related information to make it easy to not only consume but keep track of gaming news.
They'd be just as happy if E3 disappeared as long as all publishers and console makers and developers agreed on another day/week of the year where everyone would release gaming related news. I don't see that ever happening again once E3 dies, however.
And that's from people whose job it is to entertain people by playing games.
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Billion dollar multinationals don't do things out of pettiness.
This kind of supports the IGN speculation that this is an American thing because E3 has never been the "single day/week" when everybody releases news. News comes out throughout the year and isn't bound to events like Gamescom, PGW, TGS, GDC, PAX, PSX and so on. Sony have not revealed a console at E3 since 2005 - fifteen years ago. Last year (2019) lots of folks, including people active in this very forums, were commenting there had been no PSX since 2017 when there had been a PSX in Bangkok in 2018. There is a bigger world outside the borders of the USA.
Last year Sony clarified pretty quickly that not only sere they not attending E3 but that there were not doing anything around E3. They've not said that yet.
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Did the ESA ever really address the massive privacy / security breach they caused last year, by allowing the general public to download a single file that contained every attending journalist's name and personal information on their website?
And hasn't the ESA been incrementally frowned upon due to them campaigning towards allowing microtransactions and loot box casino games on titles labelled for children?
I'm not sure I'd consider the ESA a victim in this day and age.
Except maybe for the tradition and nostalgia (often overestimated) values of E3, what exactly is so great about the show and makes it stand apart from all the other shows?
Even more in an age of streaming video everywhere to every device at any given time, it makes more sense that game companies will want to take their time and choose a time/day/week/month slot that won't be competing with several other announcements from other game companies.
And hasn't the ESA been incrementally frowned upon due to them campaigning towards allowing microtransactions and loot box casino games on titles labelled for children?
I'm not sure I'd consider the ESA a victim in this day and age.
Except maybe for the tradition and nostalgia (often overestimated) values of E3, what exactly is so great about the show and makes it stand apart from all the other shows?
Even more in an age of streaming video everywhere to every device at any given time, it makes more sense that game companies will want to take their time and choose a time/day/week/month slot that won't be competing with several other announcements from other game companies.
From the discussion on this thread, I'd say because it's the American show and all the English-speaking media covers it. There are other shows including technically bigger shows like the Asian ones, but we never hear anything about what goes on at them. Because English is the de facto language of the internet, and E3 is the biggest English-speaking show, it makes sense that its content reaches further.
I'm in alignment with upnorthsox. The information provided by Azbat really showcases why MS has stayed with E3 (but moved out of E3) and Sony is leaving. If Sony owned a similar building to MS right beside E3 I'm sure they would be there too.
MS gets the best of both worlds here; in their theatre they provide the consumer experience. And they can waltz into E3 for industry discussions, they have a whole building to themselves, they can do whatever really.
I suspect that MS, if they did not own such a building, perhaps ti's possible they would have left earlier.
MS gets the best of both worlds here; in their theatre they provide the consumer experience. And they can waltz into E3 for industry discussions, they have a whole building to themselves, they can do whatever really.
I suspect that MS, if they did not own such a building, perhaps ti's possible they would have left earlier.
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Who in the gaming industry is waiting for E3 to having industry discussions? People who'se Blackberry has lost its' charge?
Like last year, Sony's announcement has prompted that discussion of how relevant is E3. From the podcasts I'm listening too, nobody is lamenting the decline in E3 except sentimentally because E3 has had some great/sad/WTF moments over the last 25 years. But ask any journalist how E3 is, or any big conference, and unless they're new to journalism where these things are still novel and appealing, it's generally considered a laborious and tedious means to an end. Which is how most exhibitors feel as well - I know, I did and so did everybody else at these events.
E3 became a thing in June where industry spoke to other industry in North American, who spoke to media who reported to the public about games coming out in November and December, who read about it six weeks later in magazines printed on pulped, dead trees. The game industry hasn't worked like that for more than a decade - close to two.
The best analogy I heard (IGN's Max Scoville) said E3 is like expensive college textbooks. At one, in the past, it made sense. College textbooks and E3 don't make sense any more. Even though E3 still has a chronological pull for events around it, the big players have their own venues outside of E3. Industry don't do industry business at E3 and the media can report and cover events better from their desks in the office than running around. What is it the public pay to see and at what cost? Fans do like to go to events, hence the crazy number of people who go to PAX, PSX, EGX and Gamescom but these events are catered to fans and accommodate them better than E3.
Sony weren't at E3 2019 yet one of the biggest surprise announcements at E2 2019 was PS4's FF VII Remake and the advance PS4 exclusive beta of SE's Avengers game. Sony (or Microsoft or Nintendo) don't need to be at E3 to grab headlines or mindshare. Most big companies are not at E3 at all, they are just nearby. Out of the three console manufacturers only Microsoft have any kind of physical presence. The older stalwarts do their own thing.
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I imagine that's contrary how to the majority like things. In the age of Instagram and people glued to their devices, I think they'd prefer constant streams of information rather than an annual mega-dump.
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There is a small hardcore who consume this stuff but which is statistically insignificant in the larger game buying public where I bet over 90% of what is shown at E3 makes zero impact. This is always the problem with too much news; the vast majority of consumers do don't consumers hours of gaming content a week, let alone each day.
This is a point I make a lot here, but us folks who read and post every (or most) days, are not relevant in the console industry. We're crazy outliers who folks like Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony can safely ignore. They don't need to target us, we just hone in on their messaging. But we're not a large number of people and even in the heydays of GAF/resetera, the maximum number of users is simply insignificant. Just let that sink it. We're statistically insignificant - not even a rounding error. We are not representative of where 99% of the profit from console gaming comes from.
