The AMD Execution Thread [2007 - 2017]
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Not for their CPU tech, certainly. Their engineering talent and GPG are worth buying though.
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If you look closely, Nvidia never bought companies with their own hardware fabs (probably to offset the associated costs and lack of the flexibility they enjoy from being able to choose the best fab/process at any given point).
That was 3Dfx's mistake.
I'm not saying the situation is the same now, but it's not in their (both Nvidia's and AMD's) interests to pursue this course now.
Lot's of duplicated resources (human and otherwise), regulatory troubles, debt's to be taken care of, uncertainty about how to best combine in-house technologies and coordinating them with future industry, businesses and consumers tech buying trends, etc, etc.
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I think CPU engineers won't be very motivated to be treated as newbs when they start projectin GPUs.
Here's other solution for Nvidia. Just start doing x86 architectures, like Cyrix did. And later, negotiate a license with Intel.
I never said NV was the perfect buyout candidate for AMD. All I'm saying is that AMD has assets that are worth buying. I would hate to see them bought out though, especially if its just to fleece the company.
But the worst issue is how to keep with competition on x86 front. Competition on GPU part is not a great issue right now.
Come on, the lawyers alone would eat them alive...
At least there would be a chance for x86 survive. Plus, there could be argued abusive marketing tactics against Intel.
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well, if NV buys Via (for x86 license) AND AMD everything will be fine - they'll get IP&staff
VIA doesn't automagically give them a x86 license; however, it is a very strong leverage to negociate a new license. The most logical way to handle this situation would be to start negociations *before* the acquisition happens. I really don't think buying both VIA and AMD would make much sense. Heck, buying AMD at all wouldn't be very logical at all, so...
Who CAN buy AMD anyway?
NVIDIA surely doesn't have the money. Whoever has a will to buy it is not an American, because most of them either don´t have the money or has too many ties with Intel to do it (IBM) . We know USA governament has a very protecionist view of its electronic industry, for a variety for whatever reasons. But I really don´t know to what extent.
For example, two big companies that could surely get a lead by buying it and shown proposals towards it, Samsung and TSMC, might be stopped by a USA governamental panel.Samsung is less likely, since it comes from an US ally. It has, though, a very different culture, extremely confuncionist. But TSMC, although is also from an ally, still share the same culture and language of mainland, and a great portion of its population is pro unification.
Hmmm, I just had this idea. I was wondering why AMD doesn´t outsource part of its x86 line of production, just for a while. I guess the answer it is that the contracts with Intel doesn´t allow an off house production, or severely limits it.
NVIDIA surely doesn't have the money. Whoever has a will to buy it is not an American, because most of them either don´t have the money or has too many ties with Intel to do it (IBM) . We know USA governament has a very protecionist view of its electronic industry, for a variety for whatever reasons. But I really don´t know to what extent.
For example, two big companies that could surely get a lead by buying it and shown proposals towards it, Samsung and TSMC, might be stopped by a USA governamental panel.Samsung is less likely, since it comes from an US ally. It has, though, a very different culture, extremely confuncionist. But TSMC, although is also from an ally, still share the same culture and language of mainland, and a great portion of its population is pro unification.
Hmmm, I just had this idea. I was wondering why AMD doesn´t outsource part of its x86 line of production, just for a while. I guess the answer it is that the contracts with Intel doesn´t allow an off house production, or severely limits it.
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IIRC AMD can't. I think there is some limitation as to how much AMD can outsource any of its production.
To a certain extent, a buyout from a big player(think IBM or the rumoured Samsung) would be a great thing for em'. Let's face it, they'll never have enough muscle to get into a proper brawl with Intel, they'll always be forced to wait for the lucky punch, the wrong step, and always be in a tight spot if their R&D doesn't get it on in a few iterations(see the eternally revamped K10 design and the poorish showing of Phenom). Such an aquisition would mean that they finally get access to a big cookie jar...the trouble is that there's no way to be certain that they'd be maintained as a top-down solution provider. Maybe the new masters'll only care about low-end value stuff, and that's the end of that(and it would suck beyond measure, monopolies aren't your friend...nor are corporations for that matter).
I think nV has the money to do it, but I think it would also put a strain on their resources and Jen Hsun isn't some hotheaded noobie. He'll probably count and measure such a significant move a billion times before(if) giving it the green light. Via would be an easier way in, as Arun said, but I dunno how adept their CPU engineers are(nor do I know how easily it would be for GPU ppl to start designing CPUs, so nV's current prowess WRT GPUs doesn't necessarily mean they'll hit the nail right on the head with CPUs). AMD's guys are top-notch, but they can be bled without actually getting AMD so....there are way too many variables and variants to consider
.AMD does outsource. Chartered makes some of the CPUs.
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