I doubt we'll see HBM's ever outside GPUs and possibly APUs, as they remove the upgradeability completely (so you can't just go and buy more RAM if your CPU/APU is using HBM)
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I doubt we'll see HBM's ever outside GPUs and possibly APUs, as they remove the upgradeability completely (so you can't just go and buy more RAM if your CPU/APU is using HBM)
I don't see why you couldn't have an external memory interface in addition to stacked RAM. It'd cost some die space for the extra memory controllers and I/O etc, but CPUs are getting so small on modern processes that surely it could be done if there was the will.
1) I don't believe they are capable of making a high end chip anymore.
2) Why would you move from a company that continues to make great parts to someone who may just ditch plans at any second and leave you in a bind ?
1) They may or may not be, but their decision to make one based on Excavator in 2015 has little bearing on that capability with K12 in 2016.
2) I don't think many people actually count on the ability to upgrade their CPU without getting a new motherboard.
With bulldozer AMD released an aggressive road map with same socket for 3 years of improvements on the cpu side. AMD decided after the launch of bulldozer to scrap it and it upset a lot of adopters. On the amd side we are used to having a few generations of chips being used in the same motherboard. I know a lot of people who when from a dual core phenom to a quad core phenom 2 to a hexacore phenom 2 and some were lucky enough to go to a bulldozer if they had bought a phenom 2 board.
That was one thing that made amd a better over all value . Aside from that , I don't believe that amd will compete because they are still far behind in process node.
That was one thing that made amd a better over all value . Aside from that , I don't believe that amd will compete because they are still far behind in process node.
I don't think the process gap is that much of a problem, because the high-end market is mostly made up of chips like the i7-4790K.
In 2016, I'd expect Intel to stick to the same strategy: a dual/quad-core APU for >95% of the desktop market, up to $300~400, and then a different, very expensive platform with far more cores.
That quad-core design should be a very manageable target for AMD, provided that:
a) K12 is indeed a substantial improvement over Excavator,
b) GloFo's 14nm FinFET process is roughly as fast as its 32nm SOI one, or ideally faster,
b) they make a design with at least 8 cores and a good cache hierarchy.
None of the above is guaranteed, but all of it seems doable to me. It would result in a design that would be very competitive for multi-threaded workloads, and acceptable for single-threaded ones.
That other company forces you to switch motherboards most generations anyway?
Intel already has a 6 core cpu on the market and its only $300 which is not expensive for gamers. If AMD is able to give any competition I would wager the prices of 6 and 8 cores would drop like a rock and we'd see even more cores on intel side.
But at least your getting the performance / power leaders at a given price range.
There's nothing that Intel likes quite as much as margins. They wouldn't necessarily drop prices to compete against a CPU from AMD if they can still sell faster SKUs for $100~500 more.
And I said 8 cores for AMD because that's the bare minimum in my opinion, but 10 or 12 should be perfectly doable given the kind of density provided by GloFo's FinFET process. Remember that Vishera is built on a 32nm process tuned for speed at the expense of density, but they still managed to squeeze 8 cores in with 16MB of cache in total.
Which CPU is that?
(The 5820K is $390, and one should also take into account the higher base-line motherboard and memory costs of a x99 setup.)
There's too the limitation of the 5820K ( PCI express lanes etc ), but it should not be a problem with single gpu anyway and still better than on the 4790... But it is a good move from Intel, it offer a good alternative for enter the 6cores and "enthusiast" series for cheaper and on a more interessant way that with the previous 2011 socket little quadcore ( 4820K )
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http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel_haswellE.aspx
Its $300 here for the 5820k
Boards cost more yes but the ram isn't much more expensive. Of course the new 2011 boards are much more feature rich than the older amd boards . Even now the better amd boards are over $100 bucks and the boards for the 5820k are about $250
Ok, but it is a special price: -120$, their initial price was 419.99$ ( who is way higher than the MSRP if im right.. look like they are doing special price if you come pickup the processor ? or it is just for a limited time ? ( newegg is at 389.- ) ( here price is at 400.-CHF more or less equal to 440$ )
This said 400$ is a real fair price for a 6cores cpu.
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I will like to get aggresive competition between shops here, but it is pretty 2 brand shops who are dominating the market and it seems they just align their price together.
we only have microcenter here. But they compete with amazon and newegg
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Why do I get the feeling that the solution they present for their passiveness in the CPU front is to be even more passive?
AMD has just announced two more semi-custom design wins, to be launched in 2016. Obviously they can't say much about them but they did say that one in an x86 design an the other is ARM-based.
And I think they said something about $1 billion revenue over three years for those designs (presumably, combined).
And I think they said something about $1 billion revenue over three years for those designs (presumably, combined).
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