Terrible News/ people of Iraq...

I really don't think that would help, but they do need to have a larger detachment whenever they go their. Or at least have cobra gunships or something orbiting so that when something like this happens they can retaliate with a massive show of force imediately...

When you have behavior like this it is like training a dog, if you wait to punish them the punishment is not associated with the action that was wrong :) That sounds pretty bad eh...

Nevertheless that is how I see it. If a week later a bunch of "innocent" civilians are killed then it doesn't accomplish much.
 
Sxotty said:
I really don't think that would help, but they do need to have a larger detachment whenever they go their. Or at least have cobra gunships or something orbiting so that when something like this happens they can retaliate with a massive show of force imediately...
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Ever heard of Palestine? Collateral damage makes things worse you know.

When you have behavior like this it is like training a dog, if you wait to punish them the punishment is not associated with the action that was wrong :)
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You know what, I'll bet money that that's precisely how these "freedom fighters" see what they're doing to the US. Punishing a dog so it learns.
 
Nutball, first you are expressing an opinion that is not a fact.

Second there is no reason to think it will be worse, this isn't palestine we aren't neighbors and despite what bush said it is a war. Do you think when we landed at normandy we said "Gee lets go with a small detachment so the nazi's don't get mad" Somehow I doubt it.


Onto the other comment, the reason I said it sounded bad was b/c I though somebody like you would misread what I said.
When you have behavior like this it is like training a dog
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That is called an analogy. Perahps you have heard about those (well I don't know where you are form maybe english is a second language). The "like" should clue you in.

Whereas this is what you wrote.

You know what, I'll bet money that that's precisely how these "freedom fighters" see what they're doing to the US. Punishing a dog so it learns.
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Now hopefully you can see the difference w/o me pointing it out. You say "precisely" implying it is the same meaning, but in fact it is not. In your case you say they see it as punishing a dog. Whereas I said simply that the lesson had to be applied in a timely manner b/c waiting is counterproductive see Palestine for an example of that, a suicide bomber attacks isreal, they wait a few days and attack back, and so forth. The waiting is bad imediate retribution is better b/c it is not seen in the same way as revenge, but rather a simple reaction to the action.
 
digitalwanderer said:
Why do they hate us so much, didn't we just liberate them? :|
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Americans are invading infidels. Islamic fundamentalist are primarily at the root of these sorts of attacks. The same sorts who attacked your country on 9/11. Terrorist have flocked to Iraq to drive out the evil Americans represent through the Iraqi boarder from countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria et al. (Not to mention the fairly fanatical Islamic fundamentalist movement already present in Iraq.)

The coalition force ought to isolate this city and make repetitive attacks on suspected groups until they are worn. I suspect there will be some very heavy military action taken there in the near future. Because this was so similar to an attack that the US suffered in Somalia I suspect that the US will have a particular interest in Falluja. It would be stupid to walk away as if the event did not occur. Maybe it would be appropriate to turn Falluja into a slaughterhouse for terrorist and their supporters.
 
When are you guys going to get a clue and realize the only people that think we are doing a favor for the Iraqis is us. 90% hate our guts. I swear half the people on these boards only read/watch US propaganda. Come to terms with this , we aided and abetted Saddam for 15 years , watched while he gassed Iranians, watched while he gassed his own people , watched while he slaughtered the Shiites , starved the country to death with embargoes . We have done all this within one generation of Iraqis. Do you think they have forgotten? Being right or wrong for the US is irrelevant , it only matters whether the Iraqs think whether it was right or wrong. They think we only help when it is in our interests. Guess what , it's true.
Imagine this, someone is kicking your ass for a few hours while someone that is alot tougher sits idly by. Then after a while of getting your ass kicked your assailant starts shit with the tougher witness. So this guy gets mad kicks your assailants ass then brags how he saved you. This is what has happened.
 
indio said:
When are you guys going to get a clue and realize the only people that think we are doing a favor for the Iraqis is us. 90% hate our guts. I swear half the people on these boards only read/watch US propaganda.
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You're the one who's living in propaganda-ville.

Go read some Iraqi blogs about how they feel. They're overwhelmingly honest, decent people who want whats best for them, and whether or not they trust the US, they aren't barbarians and aren't interested in armed resistance, but in rebuilding.
 
RussSchultz said:
indio said:
When are you guys going to get a clue and realize the only people that think we are doing a favor for the Iraqis is us. 90% hate our guts. I swear half the people on these boards only read/watch US propaganda.
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You're the one who's living in propaganda-ville.

Go read some Iraqi blogs about how they feel. They're overwhelmingly honest, decent people who want whats best for them, and whether or not they trust the US, they aren't barbarians and aren't interested in armed resistance, but in rebuilding.
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HAHAHA
How many Iraqis are bloggers? I'm sure that is a highly accurate sampling. The individuals with internet access in Iraq most certainly have the most to gain and the least to loose from continues chaos. Do you think all the Iraqi elite suddenly got poor? Of course not, the just switched sides. Please don't insult my intelligence.
 
Nevertheless indio I particualarly liked your analogy. About someone standing by and then later saying they liberated them... that is what we did.

Even more so b/c of the gulf war, if we would have only finished it then, when we actually had a reason instead of left a festering sore for years and years...
 
indio said:
When are you guys going to get a clue and realize the only people that think we are doing a favor for the Iraqis is us. 90% hate our guts. I swear half the people on these boards only read/watch US propaganda. Come to terms with this , we aided and abetted Saddam for 15 years , watched while he gassed Iranians, watched while he gassed his own people , watched while he slaughtered the Shiites , starved the country to death with embargoes . We have done all this within one generation of Iraqis. Do you think they have forgotten? Being right or wrong for the US is irrelevant , it only matters whether the Iraqs think whether it was right or wrong. They think we only help when it is in our interests. Guess what , it's true.
Imagine this, someone is kicking your ass for a few hours while someone that is alot tougher sits idly by. Then after a while of getting your ass kicked your assailant starts shit with the tougher witness. So this guy gets mad kicks your assailants ass then brags how he saved you. This is what has happened.
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Uhm, I was being sarcastic. I don't support the invasion of Iraq and happen to agree with you.

Sorry, I should have put a winky. :(
 
RussSchultz said:
Live in whatever world you want to. The rest of us will choose reality.
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Seriously though , every extended camera footage I've seen of attacks i.e. vehicle wreckage , dead bodies etc.. There are Iraqis cheering , throwing rocks , and doming other various things to show there extremely happiness that Americans and other foriegners have died. This has been happening since the beginning. The networks have done a good job at showing clips the don't show these things. However the footage often comes from the same source and if carefully watched one of the various networks will screw up and you can get a glimpse of how the surrounding civilians are reacting. It's always anti-american.How do you explain that away? Are there just Iraq dissidents mulling around loojking for explosions so they can perform for the cameras? It's a hate America and Israel culture. Just like we hated the commies . They hate us.
 
They hate us.
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Yes, the ones on camera hate us. Or are paid to protest. Or are just savages.

It was theorized in the past that some arab film crews were tipped off to the attacks so that they could be there to film the celebrations.

But the overwhelming majority of Iraqis (see recent polls by BBC, et al) do not want the coalition to leave immediately. If you'd search further than the stories that reinforce your preconcieved notions of quagmire, there's positive things happening in Iraq that are being spoiled by a loud and vocal minority and/or foreigners doing their part for Jihad.

The average Iraqi is tired of war, wants a job, and to live in peace along with their neighbors. They're glad Saddam is gone, wants the coalition to stay until the burgeoning Iraqi government can fend for itself, and does not want a theocracy to replace Saddam or the Americans.

Of course, the Sunni triangle isn't nearly on board with the forward motion of the country, but that doesn't mean that 'they' all hate us.
 
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