Technological discussion on PS3 security and crack.*

[I.S.T.]

Where do I get those?

I don't know where to find the keys themselves, but I know where to find apps that can sign stuff.

One even works on the PSP itself. You load it up on the PSP, and use it to sign homebrew. Due to technical limitations, it can only sign basic stuff like emulators.

I can only think of one reason someone would make a PSP app that signed PSP apps: a gigantic middle finger to Sony.

Well, maybe another. For the lulz.

 

[bomlat]

This game is well over a year old. The fact that every lobby I have joined since I woke up this morning, is hacked. REALLY ***** me off. Ive never been in any kind of hacked lobby until about a month ago. Now I can't get any lobby but them. This problem has just been getting worse and worse and worse. I blame this mostly on the community, I receive at least 3 messages a week from random opponents asking me to hack their account when EVERYTHING I had earned was 100% legit. And still to this day, couldn't begin to tell someone how to hack it. If the community didn't show they enjoy the hacks the problem would be NOWHERE near as bad as it is.

As it seems now the majority of the servers hacked in the PS3 MW2.
It will destroy the PSN.or within a few month it will be pre-paid like the xbox live.

I hope that the LBG2 will not be affected,otherwise my two son will kill me.
If it will be like this then there will be no real on-line on the ps3.

 

[Rangers]

Isn't Black Ops much more hacker proof on a game level? If it's just mostly MW2 because they didnt program it to be hacker proof thats one thing.

 

[bomlat]

Isn't Black Ops much more hacker proof on a game level? If it's just mostly MW2 because they didnt program it to be hacker proof thats one thing.

If the Steam statistic a guideline then the MW2 is as popular as the black ops.
There is 48k BO player and 40k MW2 player.

 

[BRiT]

Isn't Black Ops much more hacker proof on a game level? If it's just mostly MW2 because they didnt program it to be hacker proof thats one thing.

Allegedly, but I've seen/heard of similar hacks for BLOPS such as Prestige Lobbies and the only thing they have going for them is the readily available "report hacking/glitching" function. Of course that relies on the cheating being caught and then properly policed by humans on the other end of the report. I have no idea how backed up with reports they are.

Of course with that said, BLOPS could have patched out some of the issues with their last 6 or 7 title updates.

 

[RenegadeRocks]

Noob question here regarding the piracy scene right now: The USB dongles and the current solution being offered by local pirates here is based off FW 3.41. So, how will games that require you to be on 3.55 function? Doesn't that automatically stop them there?

My nephew has an Xbox360 and he couldn't pay Modern Warfare 2 untill I updates his 360(update was on the disc itself, the kid didn't know what to do.). Won't similar stuff stop , say, KZ3 or any new game from running on 3.41?

 

[Florin]

The dongles are obsolete. You can now install a custom 3.55 right off any USB key.

 

[RenegadeRocks]

The dongles are obsolete. You can now install a custom 3.55 right off any USB key.

Yes, I can see that on the net, but the local pirates who are offering cracked PS3s are still offering USB dongles. Wouldn't new games automatically stop working on that method as they require 3.55?

As for dongles, there's one they say which fools the OS into thinking it is 3.55 when the FW is still 3.41. I haven't seen it running or anything, but when I said I don't want to pirate games as I want to play online, they proudly showed me the "new" dongles with which you can play online as the OS thinks it is FW 3.55.

 

[Florin]

Yes, I can see that on the net, but the local pirates who are offering cracked PS3s are still offering USB dongles. Wouldn't new games automatically stop working on that method as they require 3.55?

Yeah I think so. If they're compiled with newer SDKs and actually use any of the functionality, that is. GT5 was supposedly delayed briefly because Sony wanted to have it brought up to 3.55 as minimum platform, but I've read it can be more or less made to run on 3.41 anyway.

As for dongles, there's one they say which fools the OS into thinking it is 3.55 when the FW is still 3.41. I haven't seen it running or anything, but when I said I don't want to pirate games as I want to play online, they proudly showed me the "new" dongles with which you can play online as the OS thinks it is FW 3.55.

That sounds like bullshit. Simple firmware version spoofing may fool a few games running locally, but I'm fairly sure it won't let you log on to PSN.

 

[RenegadeRocks]

Was checking out the NeoGaf threads and people say that the ps3 communicates with Sony even if you aren't signed in, but surely it'll need Internet "enabled" from the network settings to do that, won't it? If I disable internet from the PS3 network settings , will it still be able to communicate?
Better still, one can unplug the internet from his router itself when powering the ps3 on ! Surely, but once someone decides to go back to OFW, there will still be a log of what was run on the ps3, won't there be? To counter that can't , say, I just reset it to factory settings and install OFW again and go purely legal again with no record of what I was doing with it while offline ?

 

[RenegadeRocks]

Yeah I think so. If they're compiled with newer SDKs and actually use any of the functionality, that is. GT5 was supposedly delayed briefly because Sony wanted to have it brought up to 3.55 as minimum platform, but I've read it can be more or less made to run on 3.41 anyway.



That sounds like bullshit. Simple firmware version spoofing may fool a few games running locally, but I'm fairly sure it won't let you log on to PSN.

Yeah, i was guessing BS too, something the chinese must have told the pirate guy to tell his customers. I can't digest it unless I see it running.

Can GT5 run on 3.41? If that is so, then I don't think this simple solution can work? Maybe its just easy to remove that chk, but, yes, if new games like KZ3 and after that actually use some new feature, that would be another story.

I heard, Dead Space 2 also works with 3.41 .

Just re-quoting for the new page :

Was checking out the NeoGaf threads and people say that the ps3 communicates with Sony even if you aren't signed in, but surely it'll need Internet "enabled" from the network settings to do that, won't it? If I disable internet from the PS3 network settings , will it still be able to communicate?
Better still, one can unplug the internet from his router itself when powering the ps3 on ! Surely, but once someone decides to go back to OFW, there will still be a log of what was run on the ps3, won't there be? To counter that can't , say, I just reset it to factory settings and install OFW again and go purely legal again with no record of what I was doing with it while offline ?
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[Florin]

Was checking out the NeoGaf threads and people say that the ps3 communicates with Sony even if you aren't signed in, but surely it'll need Internet "enabled" from the network settings to do that, won't it? If I disable internet from the PS3 network settings , will it still be able to communicate?

Hmm well I don't know for sure. Disabled Internet is disabled, I would say. But theoretically it could still be grabbing a DHCP address and communicating without you knowing it. Then again, your router should be able to tell you about outstanding leases.

If you really want to be sure, just give it a static IP address and set the default gateway to something nonsensical. You could also firewall it off on your router, but that can be more complicated. Anyway, with either of those methods, you can still use local media services on the PS3, but you can be sure it won't talk to anything outside.

Better still, one can unplug the internet from his router itself when powering the ps3 on ! Surely, but once someone decides to go back to OFW, there will still be a log of what was run on the ps3, won't there be? To counter that can't , say, I just reset it to factory settings and install OFW again and go purely legal again with no record of what I was doing with it while offline ?

PS3s can wipe and relayout their hard drives, so yeah I would say so. I can't imagined any traces would end up being flashed to your non-volatile memory or anything like that (it's only 16MB I think).

 

[BRiT]

Can GT5 run on 3.41?

Yes, they have hacked the GT5 EBOOT files enough to specify a 3.41 firmware signature. They've done the same with some of the other 3.55 only games. There doesn't seem to be any usage of the 3.55 features in the main sections of the games that do work.

The USB dongles which "fool Sony into thinking its 3.55" just do a simple version string spoofing. It will not do anything for the games which really do utilize new 3.55 OFW features. So far there doesn't seem to be many/any out there.

The reason the piraters aren't selling the newer methods is they have excess inventory to burn through first or they simply haven't kept up to date.

 

[bomlat]

Hopefully this hack will force the Sony to change the business strategy from a hardware based system to an account (user) centric system.
The current logic / restrictions are simply not make sense (from any standpoint)

Example currently all content are encrypted to the console,and the user have the right for three installation - so even if you log into a fourth one all content will gone ,but the new owner of the console can use your content with his subscription (just can't re-download it)

 

[baten]

Nice interview with KaKaRoTo - one of the most important members of the scene:

http://www.chw.net/2011/01/chw-habla-con-kakaroto-sobre-la-ps3-chw-interview/5/

Security of PS3 is nicely explain for the laymen.

 

[corduroygt]

Nice interview with KaKaRoTo - one of the most important members of the scene:

http://www.chw.net/2011/01/chw-habla-con-kakaroto-sobre-la-ps3-chw-interview/5/

Security of PS3 is nicely explain for the laymen.

I have an issue with this:

I mean if lv0 is updatable, why isn't metldr? How do they actually know what's updatable and what isn't? I've read that metldr can be completely replaced but this would break existing software, so how is it not updatable?

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Nice interview with KaKaRoTo - one of the most important members of the scene:

http://www.chw.net/2011/01/chw-habla-con-kakaroto-sobre-la-ps3-chw-interview/5/

Security of PS3 is nicely explain for the laymen.

Very good read. Explains quite plainly why Sony can't really do much to lock out unwanted behavior (similar to Windows/OSX/Whatever OS on hardware that isn't locked down). I'm thankful that he took the time to explain legitimate homebrew from pirating/copyright infringement.

Regards,
SB

 

[bomlat]

They hacked the Little Big Planet 2 too.
A friend of my son lost all of his profile when he played with someone,who enjoying to destroy the fun of twelve years boys.
So,there is a need of a firmware 3.6,and it could be good if the Sony will scrap the hacked machines.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Reminds me of Diablo and Diablo II a couple weeks after launch, where you'd need to have a "safe list" of people to play with, otherwise your game would end up getting flooded with dupes and people using hacks to ruin your experience.

Sad...

When you say all his profile, do you mean everything for all games? Or just the stuff for LBP 2? Hopefully it's not the first case, if so, that's going to be really really bad.

Regards,
SB

 

[bomlat]

"just" all of the LBP2 items/profile data (it mean that he will have to spend a lot of time to get back everything)