Technological discussion on PS3 security and crack.*
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Here you go: http://psgroove.com/content.php?583-Video-fail0verflow-Demos-PS3-Exploit-at-CCC
By the way the announcer is a ***k... making him rush the project!
By the way the announcer is a ***k... making him rush the project!
Very informative stuff
Hacking the consoles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFMAP0mTvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFuTCEtK6l8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84WI-jSgNMQ
Hacking the consoles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFMAP0mTvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFuTCEtK6l8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84WI-jSgNMQ
Considering this is a situation where Sony's flawed ECDSA implementation allows anyone to easily discover the private key, it would seem the only possible solution would be to essentially re-key the private key.
Of course, this would effectively invalidate all existing signed software -- forcing everyone to get new versions. Maybe if everything was all digitally distributed, this would work. Not so practical with physical media distribution.
corduroygt
Banned
It should have technically been the other way around, the fats shouldn't have supported linux while the slims should have. Sony didn't like when people bought a fat PS3 to run Linux because they lost money on it. After PS3 hardware was profitable with the slim, there was no reason to ban Linux, since each PS3 sale would still have made money.
corduroygt
Banned
What can Sony do to make this hack at least as inconvenient as flashing the 360 DVD firmware? They can't block it, but I'm sure they don't want it to be as easy as it was on the original Xbox, where you only needed a game and a save file downloaded from the internet, without opening up your box.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
From what I can tell just from a cursory glance (I haven't bothered to read up on it other than in this thread) this looks far more similar to the original Xbox hack. Although from the sounds of it it'll be even easier to bypass restrictions than the original Xbox.
At least with the Xbox it required either glitching through a glitched game for a soft-hack or soldering the MB. This is far more intrusive and extensive than the DVD firmware hack on X360. And not as blockable as the JTAG exploit on X360 which MS disabled with a blown efuse.
Regards
SB
At least with the Xbox it required either glitching through a glitched game for a soft-hack or soldering the MB. This is far more intrusive and extensive than the DVD firmware hack on X360. And not as blockable as the JTAG exploit on X360 which MS disabled with a blown efuse.
Regards
SB
corduroygt
Banned
Funny thing is, the Cell does have efuses, but the PS3 architecture doesn't allow them to be triggered via a system update.
This hack allows customer FW, installed as if an offical FW by accounts. So using it will be as easy as downloading to a USB thumbstick and using the PS3's Update option.
Are there any breaches though that would allow decrypting new firmwares? (AFAIK there arent)
You can always downgrade now, but to keep CFW up to date like with the PSP, you`d need the innards from those newer original FW. new firmwares could effectively lock hackers out (at least for a while) from toying aslong you dont downgrade again.
They turned out to be their own worst enemy...
From what i gather the Game keys haven´t been cracked yet, but unless Sony actually used random keys on those... it shouldn´t take long.
But they can sign their own firmwares, making it easy to run anything that isn´t crypted to begin with, and the decryption of games is already in place. So that leaves us with a wide open console.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Well considering it made it about 3.5 years before a partial hack and over 4 years for a potentially very comprehensive hack is still pretty decent.
That's certainly far better than their past consoles, although the claimed ease with which it will be hackable going forward means it'll be far more accessable to hacking than either PS1 or PS2, and from the sounds of it far far easier than Xbox or X360.
This is all assuming the claims are true, which I have no reason to doubt yet. One thing they have going for them is the rather large ISO's for PS3 games will make it difficult to pirate too much in certain countries. Although with the ability to sign your own executables, it's entirely possible we'll see rips as with the PSP scene and early PC pirating scene with movies either ripped or reduced in quality and audio reduced in quality. Language removed, etc.
I'm going to guess this is going to greatly accelerate Sony's plans to introduce PS4. One the plus side that means next gen gets here earlier. On the not so good side, that means PS4 will end up far less capable than if it launched 2-3 years laters. All assume Sony now rushes to release the next gen PS.
Regards,
SB
They rely on the Cell security kernel too much. Should have done a good job with the rest of the security subsystems, 'specially the fundamentals. It's extremely naive to think that someone won't find a weakness because no one will get there or no one will look there (Security through obscurity).
corduroygt
Banned
One thing to remember is that all ps3 software will eventually have to be updated to work with the ps4. Otherwise you could then again run whatever you signed on the ps4.
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