Star Citizen, Roberts Space Industries - Chris Roberts' life support and retirement fund [2012-]

We'll see what The Escapist digs, would be nice if a bigger, reliable media took it and investigated also. (Like press, as in producing a journal on paper.) [And certainly not online only or worse TV :p]

Can people get a refund still ?
That could get interesting...
 
When the Escapist article has ominous references the seriousness of the allegations requires corresponding justification. This is missing here. Where it is known whether these "sources" are not Internet trolls? How Escapist has reinsured the effect and at least sufficiently checked the identity of the alleged internet ex-employees? In this regard the provided Information by the Escapist are very spongy, which is an indication that themselves have no idea whether the sources are trustworthy. Accordingly, I could also imagine that CIG will take the magazine legally. As it looks that they written a defamatory article due to very thin (non-existent?) facts which could sustainably shake the trust towards CIG and therefore wreak immense economic damage.


The staff at CIG maybe crunching a lot which could cause some bad blood. But this is not a problem of CIG in general, just a standards in this industry. Whiny people should understanding that it takes longer too make a game. So devs would work normally without totally exhausting themselves.
 
Of course CIG could easily solve a part of the problem by publishing their accounting for exemple, but even then why would anyone trust them ? It's not before a court so it could be lies...
 
Disco Lando on "What are the pros and cons for CIG to voluntarily disclose company finances?"

"1) Imagine you live a responsible fiscal life (whatever that means, it's kinda part of the problem here.)
2) Now imagine your parents saw your bank records, your grandparents, your significant other, their parents and grandparents...
3) Would they all have the same opinion of how you spent your money? Would any of them NOT have a single criticism of how you spent your money? They care about you, so they will always find someway in their minds for you to improve on how you're doing things.
4) Which one of them would be right? You, who are spending the money for you, or them, people who care about you and only want what's best for you, but don't live your life and know your requirements?
5) Ask 200 people what responsible fiscal spending is, and get 300+ answers.
6) Now imagine you do this with nearly ONE MILLION parents who care about you. And the press."
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5691637/#Comment_5691637

Additional con to finance disclosure: every contractor would know how much money you have, so you could not negotiate for a lower price.
 
Yes they do the game will be finished in 2017

They are not deadlines, they are targets. There is a big difference.

Deadlines only exist when there is a publisher and a contract that says "We agree to deliver [X] by [date] or else we are in breach of our contract." They are a necessary part of that kind of business arrangement, but no such arrangement exists here.

CIG aim to have things out by whatever date they picked. That is what they build their schedule around. That is how they plan ahead. But it is not set in stone, and the reality is that every developer misses their targets constantly, because that is how game development works. Any time you create something new, you run into unknowns. The difference is that other developers resort to handing over something less than what they had planned, in order to remain within their time constraint. CIG are not willing to do that. They have the budget to play the long game. They are committed to giving the people the game they promised. Without compromise. Because that is exactly what a lot of backers paid them to do. Because they are sick of seeing bad games made to meet profitable release dates. Shipping an inferior product in order to meet an artificial deadline would be a complete betrayal of the core promise of Star Citizen.
 
They are not deadlines, they are targets. There is a big difference.

Deadlines only exist when there is a publisher and a contract that says "We agree to deliver [X] by [date] or else we are in breach of our contract." They are a necessary part of that kind of business arrangement, but no such arrangement exists here.

CIG aim to have things out by whatever date they picked. That is what they build their schedule around. That is how they plan ahead. But it is not set in stone, and the reality is that every developer misses their targets constantly, because that is how game development works. Any time you create something new, you run into unknowns. The difference is that other developers resort to handing over something less than what they had planned, in order to remain within their time constraint. CIG are not willing to do that. They have the budget to play the long game. They are committed to giving the people the game they promised. Without compromise. Because that is exactly what a lot of backers paid them to do. Because they are sick of seeing bad games made to meet profitable release dates. Shipping an inferior product in order to meet an artificial deadline would be a complete betrayal of the core promise of Star Citizen.
Kickstarter isn't contractual ?
I don't remember what was written on the kickstarter page, I think it was a release date, might have been purposedly imprecise (like aime to deliver or something.)
 
Disco Lando on "What are the pros and cons for CIG to voluntarily disclose company finances?"

"1) Imagine you live a responsible fiscal life (whatever that means, it's kinda part of the problem here.)
2) Now imagine your parents saw your bank records, your grandparents, your significant other, their parents and grandparents...
3) Would they all have the same opinion of how you spent your money? Would any of them NOT have a single criticism of how you spent your money? They care about you, so they will always find someway in their minds for you to improve on how you're doing things.
4) Which one of them would be right? You, who are spending the money for you, or them, people who care about you and only want what's best for you, but don't live your life and know your requirements?
5) Ask 200 people what responsible fiscal spending is, and get 300+ answers.
6) Now imagine you do this with nearly ONE MILLION parents who care about you. And the press."
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5691637/#Comment_5691637

Additional con to finance disclosure: every contractor would know how much money you have, so you could not negotiate for a lower price.
Public companies disclose financial informations, noone asks for more than that.
 
Kickstarter isn't contractual ?
Yes, and no, AFAIK. Pledge rewards are, but not the actual product itself.

IE, according to the company, the kickstarter initiator must fulfil the gifts promised for each level of donations, but essentially nothing happens if the entire project fails. ...Although prosecutors are starting to look into certain failed kickstarters for reasons of deliberate fraud, so there's that of course.
 
Quote from a Frankfurt interview with Brian Chambers. I guess it is settled now that there are no money problems at CIG. Nobody would sign a 5 year contract if they were not certain they could pay for it. This pretty much confirms CIG is going for the long run aswell.

""Dann lächelt er: " Wir haben doch einen Fünfjahresvertrag für dieses Büro unterschrieben!""
""Then he smiles: We have signed a five year contract for this Office!""

http://hessenschau.de/kultur/teile-...,neues-entwicklerstudio-in-frankfurt-100.html


No you said the game would be released in 2017 and only 2017. If they have said they will release the game in 2017 then they have a deadline

I said that. It should be clear that Star Citizen does not come quickly. The release date of Squadron 42 will probably unveiled on Saturday. CIG has focused on Squadron 42, since the majority of the studio has been working on it so far.


Public companies disclose financial informations, noone asks for more than that.

Smart does.

 
I said that. It should be clear that Star Citizen does not come quickly.
Yes we know it will take until 2017, Unless of course you are lying (i was going to be diplomatic but to hell with it my whole issue with you has been the lies)

I want neither read about Smart, nor people who do not understand that the game comes only in 2017th.
so b3d readers cant understand that a developer would release a game based on a date that some random guy on the internet made up. Imagine that?
 
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Yes we know it will take until 2017, Unless of course you are lying (i was going to be diplomatic but to hell with it my whole issue with you has been the lies)

so b3d readers cant understand that a developer would release a game based on a date that some random guy on the internet made up. Imagine that?

To be fair its not a date made up.

During kickstarter the promise was 2014 for delievery .

They put out a schedule of releases and have missed every one of them since. FPS was supposed to be in the Spring , Multi crew in the middle of 2015 and so on .

star-citizen-dates-3.jpg



So FPS is 6 months late , Arena commander 2 is now late.

SQ 42 is going to require FPS and AC2 and the flight control in AC1 still sucks. SO I don't see that hitting by the end of this year. I also don't see the Persistent Universe Alpha hitting either .

I'd say we are 6 months behind in all this stuff at least.
 
So where does 2017 come from it's not in the screenshot

On cig's site some where (I tried to find the link quickly) but they said from that date they needed 18months before requesting refunds (it was the original tos) The tos has been replaced but when it was written it would have been late 2016 for the date. So he prob rounded up
 
Squadron 42 Cast:
-Gary Oldman
-Mark Hamill
-Mark Strong
-John Rhys-Davis
-Jack Huston
-Ben Mendelsohn
-Andy Serkis
-Harry Treadaway
-Liam Cunningham
-Rhona Mitra
-Ian Duncan
-Sophie Wu
-Gemma Whelan
-Craig Fairbass
-Gillian Anderson

Squadron 42:

Squadron 42: Facial Animation Technology:

Squadron 42 - Gary Oldman Interview:

Star Citizen Alpha 2.0: Press Demo:

Star Map is live: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/starmap?camera=57.04,-74.44,0.111,0,0
 
So lots of high-profile actors. Lots of money being spent there, for sure.


How about Squadron 42's release date? Is it November? December?
Maybe they pushed it back to January 2016?


Or did they just say "Release date? oh, erm.. yeah.. that will be in 2016.. erm.. sometime during that year, I think. I hope. Maybe. Probably.."?
 
That was a Streatch Goal.....

Squadron 42: The Morrow Tour (LIVE Version):

WIP WIP WIP WIP WIP They have to implement the faces etc.


Squadron 42: Behind the Scenes:

Album of all StarCitizen Slides shown at CItizenCon:
https://imgur.com/a/oaRNg

The Aegis Sabre and Military Ship Sale:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/.../14998-The-Aegis-Sabre-And-Military-Ship-Sale

Monthly Studio Report - September 2015:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14995-Monthly-Studio-Report

CCU has arrived too,
 
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