Bondrewd
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I wish but alas.
Speculation: GPU Performance Comparisons of 2020 *Spawn*
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As the Linus Tech Tips video stated they (and likely others) have been asking for the longest time to have a tool like this provided by the IHV's. It will be good to see reviewers with a common baseline for comparison and hope they make it available to consumers.
Totally makes sense, when you could go and buy the apparatus for power measurements on the open market.
The question is: Would Nvidia make this available, if they knew or suspected to come in at second place against AMD in this very metric.
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Why not? It's pretty obvious AMD wasn't going to provide an accurate tool for this metric.
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Of course not.
They're changing the narrative from "look at how much better we are at this super important metric" to "we're not that far behind if you measure it in this specific way".
They wouldn't be sending these tools to reviewers if they weren't expecting to fall short power efficiency. The current methods served their interests pretty well in the past, and now they don't.
DavidGraham
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AMD was scolded for having terrible power consumption compared to the competition at lower performance and/or features, nothing more, let's see RDNA2 numbers first (Raster and RT performance/watt) and compare them to NVIDIA before we declare any metric irrelevant.
lower perf/watt would be better disguised in the noise that is system power consumption.
Exactly. Perhaps the higher system power consumption of RTX 3xxx looks even worse with PSU losses so this allows them to bypass that. And currently Ampere would be compared to RDNA1, so still in favour of NV. Maybe they thought it was a good idea. Maybe they think RDNA2 wont be that great. Could be anything.
I'm more interested to see what these tools show for Maxwell2.
GTX980/970 were listed as ~150w card but were actually closer to a typical 200w TDP.
Did their new boost mess up their numbers or were the rating just the package or was it on purpose? Anyway, whatever it was they corrected it with Pascal.
GTX980/970 were listed as ~150w card but were actually closer to a typical 200w TDP.
Did their new boost mess up their numbers or were the rating just the package or was it on purpose? Anyway, whatever it was they corrected it with Pascal.
DavidGraham
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Disagree, desktop chips always push max power consumption once you allow the engine to go full blazing fps. I can see my 2080Ti always power limited @250w in any game @4K resolution max settings.
Sorry, that was never clearly stated, or even mentioned in the context of a specific workload or game. A conjecture for now. And again ZERO relevance to desktop GPUs unless the workload (resolution/settings/fps) is stated.
Bondrewd
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Consoles do it even harder.
Limited resources <> max IQ possible.
The estimate console number we're running with here is worst case, period.
Since MS is allocating power worst case.
Jeez just stop coping.
It's not funny.
But that's completely ridiculous and comes down to just tech sites being lazy. The equipment has been available forever no matter what Linus claims, it's just that it requires some extra work from the sites behalf instead of manufacturing handing it over on a silver plate, so only few sites ever went that route.
Bondrewd
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That's the whole point here, isn't it?
NightAntilli
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One still has to wonder why AMD would bother releasing a large size chip to compete with nVidia, if they are practically guaranteed to gain a profit if they use those wafers to create Zen 3 CPUs instead...
Everything points to them being capable of at least matching the RTX 3080, but would they want to?
Everything points to them being capable of at least matching the RTX 3080, but would they want to?
DegustatoR
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The question of "matching" 3080 with something without DLSS and possibly slower RT isn't as clear as some here think.
Bondrewd
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Imagine a good ass marketing campaign but without the hustle of actually doing one.
Yeah.
Hell yeah drag them on stage and slit the throats.
Worked for Rome, worked for Matisse, worked for Castle Peak and sure as hell it would work here.
Oh lord.
I am praying to all of the gods that AMD has good RT performance. My heart can't stand the years of "RT is useless" forum wars otherwise.
NightAntilli
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I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to here... But, it is quite interesting that after nVidia's announcement, suddenly a bunch of people want to see what AMD will bring to the table, including me.
You seem quite confident. Don't tell me the rumor of the biggest navi die being 4x the 5700XT is true lol.
Bondrewd
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Being the best works very well as far as pushing things down the stack go.
That's silly, but the products are good (excellent? depending on how they price it and mem configs).
I think the best evidence we have so far for a really big Navi (I'm taking that to mean 80+ CU's) is that the 3080 is based on GA102 and 3070 is based on GA104 vs TU104 and TU106 respectively for the previous gen. And of course the high power requirements.
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