Sony is bleeding money - business strategy discussion

Talking about over looking..

Glad to see you were able to calm down and regain your composure.

Now for the contribution part, what region are you in and how do things look there from a mindshare perspective. Personally, I hate sounding silly talking about regions I'm clueless about so I feel it's best to ask others and see how things are globally. It'd be good to be multiple data points.
 
Glad to see you were able to calm down and regain your composure.

Now for the contribution part, what region are you in and how do things look there from a mindshare perspective. Personally, I hate sounding silly talking about regions I'm clueless about so I feel it's best to ask others and see how things are globally. It'd be good to be multiple data points.

Well here from that tiny little region we call the midwest, it'd be:

TVs: Samsung and Sony
Smart Phones: Apple and whatever Android based is offered as part of their plan. But then most people still don't have those
Game console: Nintendo
Handheld: Nintendo
PC: Dell or whoever is hottest laptop (Toshiba, Dell, and Samsung usually)
Cameras: Cannon, Sony, and Panasonic trailing
 
Well here from that tiny little region we call the midwest, it'd be:

TVs: Samsung and Sony
Smart Phones: Apple and whatever Android based is offered as part of their plan. But then most people still don't have those
Game console: Nintendo
Handheld: Nintendo
PC: Dell or whoever is hottest laptop (Toshiba, Dell, and Samsung usually)
Cameras: Cannon, Sony, and Panasonic trailing

Cool info! I'm on the west coast in the Bay Area. I'm sure the US alone, due to geography, will have varied feedback from different regions.

As for phones, the West coast is just overran by smartphones. Interesting to note that midwest is still in an earlier phase of adoption.

As for PC's, I'd love to see a sales breakdown of Mac's based on region. The pickup locally is mainly on the laptop side. If their native apps are support Mac they are really wiling to put up the extra cash for a Mac.

My job being what it is, I get exposure to a lot of companies and even on the corporate side, the adoption of Mac's for laptop replacements is rapidly increasing. The "hottest " trend however seems to people trying to replace their devices with an ipad.

The reason I'm bringing up different technologies are to see trends and where a CE company can focus to maximize gains. I hate seeing high end manufacturers leave markets. As a Kuro owner, I was very unhappy to see Pioneer exit the high end TV business but no one else was blame except Pioneer (they made some weird comeback with sharp on the new line of Elite TV's).
 
Well here from that tiny little region we call the midwest, it'd be:

TVs: Samsung and Sony
Smart Phones: Apple and whatever Android based is offered as part of their plan. But then most people still don't have those
Game console: Nintendo
Handheld: Nintendo
PC: Dell or whoever is hottest laptop (Toshiba, Dell, and Samsung usually)
Cameras: Cannon, Sony, and Panasonic trailing

In North-East Ohio it's similar in most but slightly different

TVs: Panasonic, Samsung, and Vizio (cheapest range offerings get a large push)
Smart Phones: Apple, and 'Droid' model with Verizon/AT&T plans
Non-Smart Phones: Samsung
Game console: Xbox360
Handheld: Nintendo DS
PC & Laptops: Dell, HP
Cameras: Cannon, Sony, and Panasonic
 
Glad to see you were able to calm down and regain your composure.

Now for the contribution part, what region are you in and how do things look there from a mindshare perspective. Personally, I hate sounding silly talking about regions I'm clueless about so I feel it's best to ask others and see how things are globally. It'd be good to be multiple data points.

There is no way i can talk about mindshare on any realistic basis or even borderline objective.

We had a discussion about brand "Value" which was the closest we can get to anything the resembles the same thing and with just a tiny bit of real data to back it up.

And drop the condescending style and read the posts instead.
 
Cool info! I'm on the west coast in the Bay Area. I'm sure the US alone, due to geography, will have varied feedback from different regions.

As for phones, the West coast is just overran by smartphones. Interesting to note that midwest is still in an earlier phase of adoption.

As for PC's, I'd love to see a sales breakdown of Mac's based on region. The pickup locally is mainly on the laptop side. If their native apps are support Mac they are really wiling to put up the extra cash for a Mac.

My job being what it is, I get exposure to a lot of companies and even on the corporate side, the adoption of Mac's for laptop replacements is rapidly increasing. The "hottest " trend however seems to people trying to replace their devices with an ipad.

The reason I'm bringing up different technologies are to see trends and where a CE company can focus to maximize gains. I hate seeing high end manufacturers leave markets. As a Kuro owner, I was very unhappy to see Pioneer exit the high end TV business but no one else was blame except Pioneer (they made some weird comeback with sharp on the new line of Elite TV's).

PC-wise, everybody looks at those Apples but what they're really looking at is that 27" monitor!!! What they really want is their work PC combined with a 27" monitor. Why Sony hasn't caught on to this is anybody's guess. Other than that, laptops are the king right now and nothing is going to change that any time soon and no one has a dominant position (except Dell in business area).

Smartphones are coming on here but it's still more tied to your contract and there was certainly hestitation to jump into an AT&T contract. That kept iPhone from dominaiting. That said, if you had 20 random midwesterners to put their phones on the table, the leader would probably be HG.
 
PC-wise, everybody looks at those Apples but what they're really looking at is that 27" monitor!!! What they really want is their work PC combined with a 27" monitor. Why Sony hasn't caught on to this is anybody's guess. Other than that, laptops are the king right now and nothing is going to change that any time soon and no one has a dominant position (except Dell in business area).

Why not buy a 27" monitor then?
 
Why not buy a 27" monitor then?

People do, but they're not prominently displayed like the Apples. Instead, they're on the back wall with 30 others like in the TV section.

Ya gotta give Apple credit where it's due, they understand the importance of presentation.
 
There is no way i can talk about mindshare on any realistic basis or even borderline objective.

We had a discussion about brand "Value" which was the closest we can get to anything the resembles the same thing and with just a tiny bit of real data to back it up.

And drop the condescending style and read the posts instead.

What's stopping you from being objective about the trends in your area?

As a personal example, I have 0 interest in a Samsung or a Vizio TV. My personal preference would easily be a Sony 929 or the Sharp Elite. However, I wouldn't list either as having "mindshare" in my region. Looking around, it's noticeable that Samsung and Vizio sell the most.

I don't have to like or dislike a product to recognize it's impact on my region. I'd like nothing more than all Prius' on the road to disappear but it's easy to see that they're easily the hottest selling car for green, fuel efficient buyers.

Related to the point of this survey, companies pay a ton of money for market surveys to gauge exactly what we're trying to discuss. Getting in sync with the mindshare of the markets and regions you're trying to influence is worth it's weight in gold.
 
What's stopping you from being objective about the trends in your area?

As a personal example, I have 0 interest in a Samsung or a Vizio TV. My personal preference would easily be a Sony 929 or the Sharp Elite. However, I wouldn't list either as having "mindshare" in my region. Looking around, it's noticeable that Samsung and Vizio sell the most.

I don't have to like or dislike a product to recognize it's impact on my region. I'd like nothing more than all Prius' on the road to disappear but it's easy to see that they're easily the hottest selling car for green, fuel efficient buyers.

Related to the point of this survey, companies pay a ton of money for market surveys to gauge exactly what we're trying to discuss. Getting in sync with the mindshare of the markets and regions you're trying to influence is worth it's weight in gold.

I think my area must be the wierd one in the Pacific NW. Prius is a rare bird for example. I think there might be 2-3 in the entire city I live in. :D

TV's would be the same list as your but Sharp seems pretty big here also for whatever reason.
Phones is probably still Apple. Android is moving up a bit but hasn't caught on quite as much here.
Game Console is probably MS then Nintendo then PS3 although I'm expecting Nintendo to drop below PS3 this year or next in this area.
Computers. Doesn't seem to be any dominant brand for mindshare here. Even going to the local college and universities one doesn't see the flood of Apple laptops like you do in some other cities. Likewise desktops still generally rule here although on the college campuses Laptops are more popular.

Interesting to see how things can vary so much within the country. Then again maybe not so surprising as there's as much varying cultures and area's within the US as there is in the entirety of Europe.

Regards,
SB
 
People do, but they're not prominently displayed like the Apples. Instead, they're on the back wall with 30 others like in the TV section.

Ya gotta give Apple credit where it's due, they understand the importance of presentation.

There are pretty few monitors with the same capabilities as Apple's 27" monitors. And they usually cost as much as Apple's kit.
 
Cant you see that Sony are a shambles?. I think it's only Sony bank/insurance profits that has saved them from collapse. Sony's tech is still cutting edge stuff such as image sensors, proffesional equipment. Theirs just a huge void where strategic, visionary thinking should be.

Oh they have big plans and visions alright, just like many companies. Maybe they have too many fragmented pictures internally. It's the execution that is lacking. ^_^ It's not what they do, but how they did it that is the issue.

All the managers and engineers need to be punished/rewarded for their end to end contribution. It is very difficult to ensure satisfaction if the entire organization is organized horizontally with intermediate deliverables. Then again what do I know ?

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Why are people calling their own opinion mindshare ? -_-
 
Oh they have big plans and visions alright, just like many companies. Maybe they have too many fragmented pictures internally. It's the execution that is lacking. ^_^ It's not what they do, but how they did it that is the issue.

All the managers and engineers need to be punished/rewarded for their end to end contribution. It is very difficult to ensure satisfaction if the entire organization is organized horizontally with intermediate deliverables. Then again what do I know ?

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Why are people calling their own opinion mindshare ? -_-
What's interesting is after 4 years of losses theres nothing absolutely nothing at all you can point to and say that's going to be there profit drivers. I think D day is coming where the charlatans that hijacked Sony will be exposed. And where are there signs of any semblance of vision they're being outmanouvered on a routine basis.
 
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What's interesting is after 4 years of losses theres nothing absolutely nothing at all you can point to and say that's going to be there profit drivers. I think D day is coming where the charlatans that hijacked Sony will be exposed. And where are there signs of any semblance of vision they're being outmanouvered on a routine basis.

Didn´t they have some years where they actually earned money? And besides the "charlatans" Sony is fighting more than just themselves and that is a strong yen, china and natural disasters.
 
And very tough competition. There certainly have been instances where Sony succeeded because all their direct competitors messed up completely.
 
news based on Q2 report

A survey conducted during the second quarter of 2011 revealed that only 13 percent of U.S. consumers who had not purchased a TV during the past quarter are planning to buy a new set during the next three to 12 months, down sharply from 32 percent in the first quarter, as presented in the figure below.



A full 83 percent of respondents said had no intention of buying a new TV set within the next 12 months. This compares to the 66 percent of respondents who said the same during the first quarter, marking the highest negative level of response to the question since IHS iSuppli first posed it to the public in 2010.

The remaining 4 percent in the study represented those who had received televisions as a gift, up from 2 percent in the first quarter.

“The latest survey indicates a tremendous shift in preferences among an increasingly cautious buying public, unnerved by the continuing gloom of the economy,” said Riddhi Patel, director for television systems and retail services at IHS. “The findings suggest a growing willingness among U.S. consumers to suspend—if not totally abandon—their ongoing love affair with the television, the primary entertainment device for many American households. A sort of wait-and-see attitude has taken hold—whether it is waiting for the economy to improve, or for television prices to fall some more, or for the arrival of better deals that combine both reduced prices and high-end TV features.”

Buyers Vote with Their Dollars

Among the ranks of U.S. consumers who recently bought TVs, the most important criteria for purchasing in the second quarter were picture quality, price and screen size. Brand name has become a less important factor in the purchasing decision because of the diminishing price differential between different makes.

Also deemed not critical were newly emergent advanced TV features such as Internet connectivity and light-emitting diode (LED) backlighting, the survey found. Still, LED-backlit TVs accounted for nearly 30 percent of TV purchases in the second quarter, up from 26 percent in the first.

Overall, televisions featuring liquid crystal display (LCD) technology continued to dominate TV purchases during the second quarter—at 86 percent. The rival plasma technology accounted for the remaining market, although plasma sets experienced an increase in overall average pricing as well as favorability ratings, thanks to new models offering larger sizes and advanced features.

In terms of size, a slight increase was detected in buyers going for 50-inch-and-larger sets, but a surprisingly large percentage—up to 38 percent—bought in the under-30-inch range, mainly for reasons of price as retailers offered fewer and smaller discounts in the bigger sizes.

The use of Netflix among households soared to 66 percent for new TVs connected to the Internet, and together with Facebook, YouTube and games, represented the most-accessed applications by consumers.

IHS iSuppli Consumer Preference Analysis Methodology

The results of the latest US TV Consumer Preference Analysis report by IHS iSuppli are based on a survey conducted among more than 45,000 randomly polled U.S. households from a continually refreshed pool of 2 million, with a margin of error at 1.6 percent.

small blurb from q3 report

Overall, price was the top consideration for consumers in buying either an LCD TV or sets featuring the rival plasma technology. Price bested other criteria like picture quality and screen size—both of which, however, also figured prominently in consumers’ buying decisions. Also ranking high in viewer selections were sound quality, the looks of a TV set and positive recommendations from trusted sources, including family and friends or even favorable reviews.

In particular, product differentiation based on picture quality alone was becoming harder, consumers thought, as TV sets increasingly look the same when displayed on the show floor. Most consumers also want to believe that they are buying the best TV in terms of picture quality—though not all are interested in paying for advanced features.

To this end, buyers assigned lower scores for criteria such as LED backlight technology, Internet connectivity, advanced refresh rates and even brand name—once a prized asset pointing to intangible but perceived high value for premium labels like Sony and Samsung. As the price differential diminishes among brands and picture quality improves, brand name becomes a less important factor in the purchase process, data indicate.

$599 was mentioned as the magic price point for TVs in both the q2 and q3 and more specifically LCD TVs since they have the highest sell-through. You would need the full report if you wanted a pivot table or other sheets whereby to compare which brands had greater mindshare though as you can read that is becoming increasingly irrelevant, which will continue to put downward pressure on CE's the likes of Sony.

Beyond the PS3 the only other Sony product that has any mindshare for me is their (in home) projector line which is excellent.
 
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What's interesting is after 4 years of losses theres nothing absolutely nothing at all you can point to and say that's going to be there profit drivers. I think D day is coming where the charlatans that hijacked Sony will be exposed. And where are there signs of any semblance of vision they're being outmanouvered on a routine basis.

There has been some ups and downs. ^_^
Most Japanese companies are having a tough time.

For profit driver, I suspect Kaz is gearing up for network and digital contents business. The hardware arm may be gunning for some OEM deals, and of course Playsta-shun.
 
Sony Pictures, Music, optics/imaging should be ok too.

On a related note Sony have been very popular when it comes to alarm clocks but even that little market is changing. On the bright side Sony has already acknowledged this and made a smart move by making iOS docking stations so people could use their iPhones/iPods as clocks. In other words even if people stopped buying Sony alarm clocks they could still buy Sony docking stations.:D

It's pretty crazy how one device with a little Apple logo has changed so many market segments.:oops:

Personally I think Sony should get back into robotics because that will be the next big thing and it's at a point where costs could come down significantly.
 
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