Some question about Xbox/GC hardware
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Xbox > GCN hardware-wise, most sane people would agree.
It's the power difference between them that I'd like to hear about. I don't care as much anymore, because I own both and I got them for their games.. not their strength.. but it's interesting to hear what people in the know (like ERP) have to say.
It's the power difference between them that I'd like to hear about. I don't care as much anymore, because I own both and I got them for their games.. not their strength.. but it's interesting to hear what people in the know (like ERP) have to say.
why waste our time with PR-ish statements from a factor5 guy ?
did you expect them to tell that the GC can't do everything the xbox can do ? or that they don't know if their game will be über alles ?
we can quote company employees promoting their game, their company and the plateform they choosed but is it interesting ? this is not a fact neither a proof of something.. this can only be biased..
let's stick to the facts. i value ERP statements a lot more than this marketing blurb.
i think i said this before..
did you expect them to tell that the GC can't do everything the xbox can do ? or that they don't know if their game will be über alles ?
we can quote company employees promoting their game, their company and the plateform they choosed but is it interesting ? this is not a fact neither a proof of something.. this can only be biased..
let's stick to the facts. i value ERP statements a lot more than this marketing blurb.
i think i said this before..
Magnum PI:
> did you expect them to tell that the GC can't do everything the xbox
> can do ?
Please... Factor 5 has no more interest in seeing the Cube do well than ERP did when he was working at Boss Games. Now, you don't expect ERP to change his stance just because Boss Games is history do you? That would make him look really "professional".
> this is not a fact neither a proof of something.. this can only be biased..
You could say the same about ERP's comments. The ones that aren't related to printed specs at least.
> let's stick to the facts. i value ERP statements a lot more than this
> marketing blurb.
Of course you do. You're an Xbot. However, I hope you do realize that most of Factor 5's comments on the GameCube come from msg board postings by Julian Eggebrecht... much like ERP's posts on this board.
I could also be a real asshole and point out that Factor 5 has shipped a game for GameCube while ERP hasn't for either Cube or Xbox. Granted, there wasn't anything he could do about it but the fact remains that he hasn't got a product to back up his claims.
Now I wouldn't be so silly as to say that ERP isn't credible or that he is wrong. I'm not inclined to take Factor 5's word over his either. Both are clearly very competent developers and both clearly have their preferences. The truth about either console is probably somewhere in between the respective opinions of ERP and Factor 5.
Now, I don't mean to imply anything about ERP and I hope that he understands that. I'm making a point which is simply that your reasoning is flawed, devoid of any logic what so ever.
As you said: "let's stick to the facts." This is a tech board. You can leave your fanboy drivel at the door.
> did you expect them to tell that the GC can't do everything the xbox
> can do ?
Please... Factor 5 has no more interest in seeing the Cube do well than ERP did when he was working at Boss Games. Now, you don't expect ERP to change his stance just because Boss Games is history do you? That would make him look really "professional".
> this is not a fact neither a proof of something.. this can only be biased..
You could say the same about ERP's comments. The ones that aren't related to printed specs at least.
> let's stick to the facts. i value ERP statements a lot more than this
> marketing blurb.
Of course you do. You're an Xbot. However, I hope you do realize that most of Factor 5's comments on the GameCube come from msg board postings by Julian Eggebrecht... much like ERP's posts on this board.
I could also be a real asshole and point out that Factor 5 has shipped a game for GameCube while ERP hasn't for either Cube or Xbox. Granted, there wasn't anything he could do about it but the fact remains that he hasn't got a product to back up his claims.
Now I wouldn't be so silly as to say that ERP isn't credible or that he is wrong. I'm not inclined to take Factor 5's word over his either. Both are clearly very competent developers and both clearly have their preferences. The truth about either console is probably somewhere in between the respective opinions of ERP and Factor 5.
Now, I don't mean to imply anything about ERP and I hope that he understands that. I'm making a point which is simply that your reasoning is flawed, devoid of any logic what so ever.
As you said: "let's stick to the facts." This is a tech board. You can leave your fanboy drivel at the door.
All Chap said is that Factor 5's next game is going to be better, graphically, then any GameCube game before it. What does that even have to do with XBox? If anyone's in dange of turning this into a GC vs XBox power argument you are.
Also to be exact ERP said in almost all cases (not all cases) NV2A is faster then Flipper, so he actually didn't even mention the systems as a whole. But then I think most people already know that in the majority of cases XBox will be more poweful then GameCube.
JacksBleedingEyes
Regular
BAH!!
Who cares about the power of either consoles.
The Xbox is more powerfull but its games lack one very important thing that have seen it fail so far. They lack soul.
GO SEGA AND NINTENDO (and few third party sony exclusive developers)
Who cares about the power of either consoles.
The Xbox is more powerfull but its games lack one very important thing that have seen it fail so far. They lack soul.
GO SEGA AND NINTENDO (and few third party sony exclusive developers)
Teasy said:
Teasy i think that was a challenge. To say that the xbox is more powerful is to say its power is superior Teasy. Like it or not.
And like you said Teasy what he had to say has nothing to do with anyway. He was merely mentioning it to get a rise out of people. I replied to him saying something to get a rise out of him. It seems you are a little touchy there Teasy.
DeathKnight
Regular
Heh, I remember quite a long time ago when either Julian or another F5 guy proclaimed the Xbox couldn't do realtime DD5.1 ingame.
cybamerc said:
please..
as a developper making a title exclusive to the gamecube factor5 has every interest in seeing the gamecube do well and to please his partner nintendo..
would you expect to hear from the factor 5 guy:
"well, we choosed to do this on the gamecube for business motives. but the game could have been better on the xbox".. of course not.. even if it's true..
BS
we some publicly known developper doing public interviews in order to promote his game and his company..
we have someone (who ?) who has nothing to sell, and even no company to defend, talking in a public forum.
the first one can only be biased, the second one have no such obligation..
ROTFL.. i'm more usually described as a nintendo fanb*oy..
eventually i have a big preference for the gamecube.
despite its technical inferiority it has the most appealing games.
and having that preference doesn't prevent to at least try to be objective and admit facts event when they aren't gamecube favorable..
in fact the gamecube could be technically the worst of the three consoles, i couldn't care less as long as its games are so much enjoyable..
where ? the only things i read and the only quote i saw where from promotionnal interviews..
and btw even if it's in msg board postings doesn't prevent him to do his promotionnal blurb..
you are defending my point of view. ERP has nothing to sell.
so you admit that the factor5 guy could tell something else than just the truth ?
of course.
we all know that someone doing interviews in order to promote his game can only be objective. i even saw many interview where the guy says "don't buy it !! it's bad !!"..
open your ears wide because i will tell you something important.
it happens sometimes than somebody do not exactly tell the truth.
yes !
especially if it can help his business..
yes it may be a technical board. in that particular case we shouldn't care so much about promotionnal material.. we should leave that to the other forums..
please don't stop... you made me laugh so hard !
I don't know what your trying to say here. I think you may have missed my point, which was the bolded part specifically.
His comment was sort of out of place, but yours just made no sense. If you were just saying it to wind him up (which wasn't what is looked like to me) then why say what you said?.. he's not a GC fan anyway.
BTW I only mentioned that your comment didn't make sense in relation to what Chap had said, yeah, that's really touchy isn't it....
Magnum PI:
> as a developper making a title exclusive to the gamecube factor5 has
> every interest in seeing the gamecube do well and to please his partner
> nintendo..
Boss Games was working on an exclusive Xbox title to be published by M$.
> would you expect to hear from the factor 5 guy:
Would you expect to hear the same thing from ERP?
> the first one can only be biased, the second one have no such
> obligation..
Bias isn't a matter of obligation.
> and having that preference doesn't prevent to at least try to be
> objective and admit facts
Automatically dismissing one person's statements while blindly accepting another's isn't being objective, it is bias.
> and btw even if it's in msg board postings doesn't prevent him to do his
> promotionnal blurb..
Same goes for ERP.
> ERP has nothing to sell.
Perhaps not anymore but if he started saying that Cube was the superior platform his credibility would certainly be gone since he claimed otherwise when working at Boss Games.
> so you admit that the factor5 guy could tell something else than just the
> truth ?
I admit that you are surprisingly dense. Take your quote fucking elsewhere.
> as a developper making a title exclusive to the gamecube factor5 has
> every interest in seeing the gamecube do well and to please his partner
> nintendo..
Boss Games was working on an exclusive Xbox title to be published by M$.
> would you expect to hear from the factor 5 guy:
Would you expect to hear the same thing from ERP?
> the first one can only be biased, the second one have no such
> obligation..
Bias isn't a matter of obligation.
> and having that preference doesn't prevent to at least try to be
> objective and admit facts
Automatically dismissing one person's statements while blindly accepting another's isn't being objective, it is bias.
> and btw even if it's in msg board postings doesn't prevent him to do his
> promotionnal blurb..
Same goes for ERP.
> ERP has nothing to sell.
Perhaps not anymore but if he started saying that Cube was the superior platform his credibility would certainly be gone since he claimed otherwise when working at Boss Games.
> so you admit that the factor5 guy could tell something else than just the
> truth ?
I admit that you are surprisingly dense. Take your quote fucking elsewhere.
DeathKnight
Regular
Yet he's had hands-on experience with all three consoles. He's also gone into great technical detail about these consoles as well. All we've heard from Factor 5 is a bunch of gloss-over for the Cube and fallacies about the competition... basically PR.
It certainly seemed that way from his statement. It was out of place and on top of that he seems rather fanboyish.
You may not understand it Teasy but yes the xbox is superior to the GC in terms of graphical performance. This is besides the though for stating this wasn't originally intended to take a jab at anyone but him.
Really Teasy i am wondering what your deal is. Why do you have such a hard time accepting this as an axiom? No one said the Xbox is a better console but ERP especially has said it yeilds greater graphical results. Why does asserting this notion upset you so?
IT does make perfect sense if you consider the possibility of this new title being vastly superior to anything seen on the GC he was asserting its graphical superioty over xbox titles. That was how I interprited what he was saying.
DeathKnight:
> Yet he's had hands-on experience with all three consoles.
IIRC he hasn't done any work on PS2. Not that it really matters because this discussion isn't about experience but rather bias.
> He's also gone into great technical detail about these consoles as well.
Not anymore than Julian E.
> All we've heard from Factor 5 is a bunch of gloss-over for the Cube and
> fallacies about the competition
Just because the partisan in you can't accept that other platforms have their merits doesn't mean it is so.
Magnum PI:
> ouch ! what an argumentation...
You asked a stupid question that warranted the answer you got.
> you must confuse this place and gamecube lovers forums..
What a cleverly put together insult. I bet you've been saving that one for months, waiting for the right time to unleash it upon your unsuspecting victim.
> i think here we can dare not being blindingly loyal to a plateform at
> such a level that we wouldn't keep in touch with the reality anymore
I can see the distinction between perception and reality is lost on you.
> it's even recommended.
Ditto.
> Yet he's had hands-on experience with all three consoles.
IIRC he hasn't done any work on PS2. Not that it really matters because this discussion isn't about experience but rather bias.
> He's also gone into great technical detail about these consoles as well.
Not anymore than Julian E.
> All we've heard from Factor 5 is a bunch of gloss-over for the Cube and
> fallacies about the competition
Just because the partisan in you can't accept that other platforms have their merits doesn't mean it is so.
Magnum PI:
> ouch ! what an argumentation...
You asked a stupid question that warranted the answer you got.
> you must confuse this place and gamecube lovers forums..
What a cleverly put together insult. I bet you've been saving that one for months, waiting for the right time to unleash it upon your unsuspecting victim.
> i think here we can dare not being blindingly loyal to a plateform at
> such a level that we wouldn't keep in touch with the reality anymore
I can see the distinction between perception and reality is lost on you.
> it's even recommended.
Ditto.
Legion, I just said earlier in this very thread:
Now isn't that an indication to you that I think that in the majority of cases XBox is more powerful then GameCube?
What your saying is that basically you think Chap said this:
"Factor 5 are going to make the best, graphically, GC game ever, which means GC is better then XBox"
When he actually said this:
"Factor 5 have a new GC game that will graphically blow away all known GC games"
?
Now isn't that an indication to you that I think that in the majority of cases XBox is more powerful then GameCube?
What your saying is that basically you think Chap said this:
"Factor 5 are going to make the best, graphically, GC game ever, which means GC is better then XBox"
When he actually said this:
"Factor 5 have a new GC game that will graphically blow away all known GC games"
?
DeathKnight
Regular
I thought he did have some experience with the PS2, but not completely sure. However, he has had experience with the other two consoles. It's about bias? I don't see any bias on ERP's part.
ERP's gone into great technical detail about BOTH the Xbox and the Cube. Julian has never done such a thing. Julian's done things like proclaim the Xbox wasn't capable of ingame realtime DD5.1, and also try to compare near final Cube hardware with extremely early Alpha Xbox hardware (which was nowhere close to final silicon and performance).
Did I ever say they didn't? And this isn't about me either. It's about ERP. ERP's gone in-depth with both the Xbox and Cube hardware, and he's given credit where credit was due (whether it be pro-Cube or pro-Xbox) based on his experience working with both platforms. Now you want to call him biased because he's telling the truth, which revolves around the technical merit the Xbox has over the Cube in most situations. Seems like you're pretty uncomftorable with reality.
DeathKnight:
> I don't see any bias on ERP's part.
Are you Xbots really that fucking dense? Look at how the discussion started, who reacted to what, who brought credibility into the matter.
I'm NOT saying ERP isn't credible, I AM saying he's biased because quite frankly we all are - that is human nature. To claim otherwise is ridiculous. To claim otherwise is a sign of bias in and of itself - not to mention flagrant stupidity.
My point is that there are no grounds for dismissing any of Factor 5's claims on the basis of bias when the same conflict of interest exists with ERP. Is that really so hard to understand?
> Julian has never done such a thing.
Nonsense.
> Julian's done things like proclaim the Xbox wasn't capable of ingame
> realtime DD5.1
Source.
> and also try to compare near final Cube hardware with extremely early
> Alpha Xbox hardware
Which he also made very clear.
> It's about ERP.
No it's about mentally deprived Xbots with serious reading comprehension issues. Read, then speak.
I'm using ERP as an example to prove the logical flaws in Magnum PI's "argumentation". Not to pass judgement on him (ERP).
> he's given credit where credit was due (whether it be pro-Cube or
> pro-Xbox) based on his experience working with both platforms.
So has Julian.
> Seems like you're pretty uncomftorable with reality.
I'm uncomfortable with your perception of reality.
> I don't see any bias on ERP's part.
Are you Xbots really that fucking dense? Look at how the discussion started, who reacted to what, who brought credibility into the matter.
I'm NOT saying ERP isn't credible, I AM saying he's biased because quite frankly we all are - that is human nature. To claim otherwise is ridiculous. To claim otherwise is a sign of bias in and of itself - not to mention flagrant stupidity.
My point is that there are no grounds for dismissing any of Factor 5's claims on the basis of bias when the same conflict of interest exists with ERP. Is that really so hard to understand?
> Julian has never done such a thing.
Nonsense.
> Julian's done things like proclaim the Xbox wasn't capable of ingame
> realtime DD5.1
Source.
> and also try to compare near final Cube hardware with extremely early
> Alpha Xbox hardware
Which he also made very clear.
> It's about ERP.
No it's about mentally deprived Xbots with serious reading comprehension issues. Read, then speak.
I'm using ERP as an example to prove the logical flaws in Magnum PI's "argumentation". Not to pass judgement on him (ERP).
> he's given credit where credit was due (whether it be pro-Cube or
> pro-Xbox) based on his experience working with both platforms.
So has Julian.
> Seems like you're pretty uncomftorable with reality.
I'm uncomfortable with your perception of reality.
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