So, XMen2 [ Warning: Spoilers ]
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I will, once again, as a non X-men afficianado, say that none of that is obvious, nor, without explaination, is conveyed to me through the film.
I thought I saw some shape in the water at the end. I thought it was maybe an X.
It certianly didn't _explain_ to me what happened to her, what was affecting the plane, and why she had to get off.
But you folks seem satisfied, so I'll just accept that I'm a simpleton.
I thought I saw some shape in the water at the end. I thought it was maybe an X.
It certianly didn't _explain_ to me what happened to her, what was affecting the plane, and why she had to get off.
But you folks seem satisfied, so I'll just accept that I'm a simpleton.
I never bought any Xmen comics ( i used to be a superman or any DC comics boy) but i did follow the xmen saga and kinda heard that jean was vaguely connected to this phoenix thing. and it didn't take me that long to figure out what the deal was as soon as jean's eyes were all fiery at the beginning of the movie. and at the end, the light coloured silouette in the lake was pretty OBVIOUS to me at least...
still, the movie absolutely rocks... i was litterally saying *whoa thats so cool* at some point in the movie....
at last movies are beginning to be like what i always dreamed they would be when reading the comics. not like the tacky supermen movies (which were cool when they first came out, but even then, i was like 5)
still, the movie absolutely rocks... i was litterally saying *whoa thats so cool* at some point in the movie....
at last movies are beginning to be like what i always dreamed they would be when reading the comics. not like the tacky supermen movies (which were cool when they first came out, but even then, i was like 5)
A few things.
First, the entire hint about evolution right in the begining should have tipped you off later in the movie. I'm so grateful everything was spelled out.
Then you start noticing Jean is starting to have her powers grow rather rapidly. Not to mention the weird fire in her eyes.
As for the entire plane incident, during the dinosaur museum incident, where she wasn't quite focused, you could see the TV sets got messed up because of that. There was an interruption in their signal and so on. I think Jean realised it was her again on the plane. Just like she knew her powers had been acting up during the museum. So she got off the plane.
If this wasn't obvious stuff then good. Crappy kiddie films spell everything out for you, while this one actually makes you think about what happend and what will happen. You don't need to be some sort of X-Men afficianado to figure this stuff out.
First, the entire hint about evolution right in the begining should have tipped you off later in the movie. I'm so grateful everything was spelled out.
Then you start noticing Jean is starting to have her powers grow rather rapidly. Not to mention the weird fire in her eyes.
As for the entire plane incident, during the dinosaur museum incident, where she wasn't quite focused, you could see the TV sets got messed up because of that. There was an interruption in their signal and so on. I think Jean realised it was her again on the plane. Just like she knew her powers had been acting up during the museum. So she got off the plane.
If this wasn't obvious stuff then good. Crappy kiddie films spell everything out for you, while this one actually makes you think about what happend and what will happen. You don't need to be some sort of X-Men afficianado to figure this stuff out.
Even if you dont get the phoenix stuff I dont see how it detracts from the movie. My biggest gripe was when Wolverine couldnt sniff through the shapeshifters disguise, made suspension of disbelief a little hard. Also nightcrawlers oscillation between serious naive religious guy and bungling idiot comic relief guy was a bit jarring.
zidane1strife
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To figure out that something was going on with jean, and the reason she got off... you're right... but to figure out that this is connected to the phoenix... You need to be some sort of X-Men afficianado...
I spoke with my wife about this (she being as far from comics as possible), and her thoughts were:
-She suspected Jean (the telepath in question) did not really die, or that her death was open enough that she could come back in another movie.
-She didn't see anything definite in the water at the end.
-She thought that getting off the plane was a cheap plot device to add to the tension. It came across as she needed to go outside the plane and levitate it to save it. Not she had to get off so the plane would stop going haywire. She said "I didn't see her being the cause at all".
-She suspected Jean (the telepath in question) did not really die, or that her death was open enough that she could come back in another movie.
-She didn't see anything definite in the water at the end.
-She thought that getting off the plane was a cheap plot device to add to the tension. It came across as she needed to go outside the plane and levitate it to save it. Not she had to get off so the plane would stop going haywire. She said "I didn't see her being the cause at all".
zidane1strife said:
WELL, SOMEONE who's not familiar with the xmen storyline wouldn't know who Phoenix is... hell they woulndt even know who the hell wolverine of whoever else is, they would just see a bunch of super guys fighting each other.... still, that doesnt make the movie any less extraordinary that it really is.
Oh yea the Wolverine mini series by Barry Windsor Smith (art and story) is awesome. I recommend all of you to read it. NOW!
The Jean Grey stuff about Phoenix rising from the ashes etc was written by Chris Claremont who also wrote some Babylon 5 unless I am much mistaken.
I miss Psylocke and the flirtation with her and Cyclops (she died tho' in the comics eh?) ... it was nice to see Colossus do a cameo, "I can help!"
Oh and Gandalf is one awesome actor...
The Jean Grey stuff about Phoenix rising from the ashes etc was written by Chris Claremont who also wrote some Babylon 5 unless I am much mistaken.
I miss Psylocke and the flirtation with her and Cyclops (she died tho' in the comics eh?) ... it was nice to see Colossus do a cameo, "I can help!"
Oh and Gandalf is one awesome actor...
